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Offline Robby

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Re: Hackberry
« Reply #25 on: April 10, 2012, 06:02:39 PM »
Gaeckle, I think you did a great job.  I would have made the cheekpiece concave rather than convex, other than that, I like everything about it.
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Re: Hackberry
« Reply #26 on: April 10, 2012, 07:47:45 PM »
Gaeckle, I think you did a great job.  I would have made the cheekpiece concave rather than convex, other than that, I like everything about it.
Robby


Thanks Robby, the cheeck piece changed in dimension and direction a few times due to finding out about working with this stuff....

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Re: Hackberry
« Reply #27 on: April 10, 2012, 07:54:46 PM »
 



  Around here in the Houston area we have alot of them generally considered a trash tree it's not even good fire wood as it stinks. Maybe they grow better in a colder climate.

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Re: Hackberry
« Reply #28 on: April 10, 2012, 08:02:25 PM »
Gaeckle,  Your rifle has a lot of 'character.'  I love things that are 'different,' but I gotta say this Hackberry wood really worked you over.  I give you a lot of credit for sticking through all of the challenges it presented.  

Q. Was your blank cross-cut or quarter sawed?

Q. Did you try aquafortis on any samples to see if the wood responded to it?  

Look forward to learning more about your build.
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Re: Hackberry
« Reply #29 on: April 11, 2012, 05:56:48 PM »
Gaeckle,  Your rifle has a lot of 'character.'  I love things that are 'different,' but I gotta say this Hackberry wood really worked you over.  I give you a lot of credit for sticking through all of the challenges it presented.  

Q. Was your blank cross-cut or quarter sawed?

Q. Did you try aquafortis on any samples to see if the wood responded to it?  

Look forward to learning more about your build.


I don't know if the stock was quarter sawn and yes, i did try aquafortis....the aquafortis baiscaly turned the wood a muddy brown color that was displeasing. There was no variation and was pretty much lackluster.

By using stains, dyes, shoe polish and the spray paint I was able to build up, remove and manipulate these different colors almost like an artist pallet. I could layer on color and if I didn't like it I could reduce it's impact via steel wool or scraping. There was a particular spot in the area of the lock mortise that the wood just kept peeling away and revealed a very open grained texture. To alleviate this from the viewer's eye I used some spray paint and while tacky I pushed in some shoe polish and sorta made a paste that I could use to fill and hide the offending texture. I then used a cotton rag to smooth out the area. Color does not seem to penetrate too well.

This was all a learning curve that I hope could help me gain in my skills to become a better builder. I figured if I couldn't pull it off I would simply turn the stock into BTU's for the winter fireplace.

I need to add that I have another chunk of this stuff, but it is cut for a halfstock. I have comming to me a barrel, old and original, that has been reemed out and re-rifled by an associate. It has a signiture on it (initials, by the breach) that is being breached. It would make a perfect candidate for another build. I've got a pile of original parts: buttplates, triggers, gaurds, thimbles and locks.....once I clear my bench of some promised jobs I may try to tackle another hackberry rifle.

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Re: Hackberry
« Reply #30 on: April 12, 2012, 09:22:54 AM »
The hackberry in my opinion is a cousin to the cherry tree, based off of the leaves and fruit. The bark is much lighter (gray) in color with little nubs that grow out of the bark.  The heartwood is similar in color to ASH, and about as stringy.  Some of the grain can have a purplish or blue tint.  I know that some furniture industries use this wood in structural areas of hte furnitur and use the more common veneer woods on the surface.  Hackberry is extremely strong and flexible. 

Great work on the rifle,  what type of finish did you use?

Tom

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Re: Hackberry
« Reply #31 on: April 13, 2012, 01:04:29 AM »
Hack berry; Some folks call it "sugar berry" and some "sugar nut". In the early winter the little berries are about the size of cherry pits and are quite hard. If you chew a couple you will find they have a sweet taste about them. I have seen some trees better than 4 feet across. The bark varies from beige color with little ridges to ridges that resemble bacon strips on the edge. I do know that chipmunks and mice go after the berries but that is about all I know of.

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Re: Hackberry
« Reply #32 on: April 13, 2012, 04:51:11 AM »
Gaeckle, great looking "old" rifle. :) I have used hackberry for lathe turning of bowls and vessels.  When it is allowed to spalt|(inner fungi) the markings
can be quite striking....some times like horsehair pottery.  You are right
about open grain which you encounter as you shaped the stock.  I use one
or two "sacrifical" coats of finish to seal the "end grain" and these are sanded just before finishing....more if needed.  One has to try this to see how it works,   I use an oil finish and still get alot of penetration.  I hope this
may assist someone in the future....the technique is not species specific. ;)
Tim

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Re: Hackberry
« Reply #33 on: April 13, 2012, 01:45:36 PM »
Hackberry is in the Elm family.

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Re: Hackberry
« Reply #34 on: April 14, 2012, 05:24:52 PM »
We have lots of them here in NE Kansas. I live on 10 acres and there is no place you can look without seeing one. They grow straight and tall and can get big. When another tree falls on them they will bend clear to the ground. I find them to smell good when burning (sweet smell) and have used them in the big smoker for beef and pork.

Mountian guns, as a rule don't do much for me. But, every now and then I see one I just can't take eyes off. This is one of those guns, one of the best I have every seen. Thanks for posting it.

Bruce

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Re: Hackberry
« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2012, 08:49:43 AM »
D Bowman,

Thanks for the update on the relationship of Hackberry to elm.  I was not aware of that. 

I learned something new. 
Tom

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Re: Hackberry
« Reply #36 on: April 24, 2012, 08:20:59 PM »
In reply to my post (Reply #7) I still am not sure what hackberry is. I did find however that West Sister Island in Lake Erie, off shore from Port Clinton, Ohio, is almost completely covered with hackberry. May be a source for those that may want to try it for a rifle. There has to be a way to get some off the island.

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Re: Hackberry
« Reply #37 on: April 25, 2012, 12:42:47 AM »
I have a huge on in my backyard. It may need removal soon, and I might try to get the lower trunk at the ground level cut up into blanks/planks. It's not time yet but I got my eye on that sucker.
I saw a couple rifles stocked in it at Friendship a year or two ago (in the Gunmakers House), and was taken aback by the grain/rays in the wood. Of course the rifles were gorgeous too.

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Re: Hackberry
« Reply #38 on: April 25, 2012, 01:11:58 AM »
man I like that work.

I gotta ask.  Is that a molding line along the comb, or is that a distressed two-piecer ?
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Re: Hackberry
« Reply #39 on: April 25, 2012, 04:48:03 PM »
man I like that work.

I gotta ask.  Is that a molding line along the comb, or is that a distressed two-piecer ?

That's a molding line

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Re: Hackberry
« Reply #40 on: May 24, 2012, 04:20:11 AM »
Since I'm into trad archery I've heard of Hackberry being used for arrow shafts. Aparently its very strong and the good stuff is very straight. May even be some bows made from it. FRJ

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Re: Hackberry
« Reply #41 on: May 24, 2012, 05:21:29 PM »
man I like that work.

I gotta ask.  Is that a molding line along the comb, or is that a distressed two-piecer ?

That's a molding line

A North Carolina feature. I really like like this rifle and you taught me about a species of native wood that I never knew existed. I like to use unique looking stock blanks even if they present some challenges. I've got my eye on a big old mulberry tree that must come down soon  ::)

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Re: Hackberry
« Reply #42 on: May 25, 2012, 06:41:39 PM »
man I like that work.

I gotta ask.  Is that a molding line along the comb, or is that a distressed two-piecer ?

That's a molding line

A North Carolina feature. I really like like this rifle and you taught me about a species of native wood that I never knew existed. I like to use unique looking stock blanks even if they present some challenges. I've got my eye on a big old mulberry tree that must come down soon  ::)

Funny thing is, I have an old original stock (sans barrel) that is made of pine......guess those old timers used everything available......

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Re: Hackberry
« Reply #43 on: May 25, 2012, 06:56:29 PM »
Since this topic has come up again, I took a look at a stack of hackberry we sawed a couple years ago.  The stuff was cut to about 1 1/8" thickness, and stacked under cover to dry.  (I've got to move a couple thousand bd. ft. of assorted hardwoods this summer and I'm not looking forward to it.  I may have to visit a lumber yard and get some "price-shock treatment" to make the job go easier.)

The flat-sawn hackberry shows cupping/warping/checking/etc about like white oak would, most of it will be usable when I get to it.  The quarter-sawn stuff has dried more like Q-sawn ash, very nice and flat but a bit more checking that I would expect with ash. 

I think as long as you seal the end grain well, and dry it under cover, it shouldn't be a problem to dry planks for stocks.  The heartwood/sapwood line was very distinct, it would probably be something to avoid when selecting planks for future stock blanks.