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Offline smylee grouch

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die sinker,s chisels
« on: April 11, 2012, 05:46:10 AM »
I was looking through the Brownells catalog for some items the other day and came across die sinker,s chisels in the engraving tools section. I have seen these advertised befor but never knew what the primary use for these chisels are. Can someone elaborate on these for me? Are they just a heavey duty engraving tool? Thanks in advance for any info on the subject.   Smylee

Offline James Wilson Everett

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Re: die sinker,s chisels
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2012, 06:43:59 AM »
Yes,

Die sinkers chisels are for engraving.  They do well in the heavy duty type of engraving often found on period guns.  This is especially true of the rack markings on muskets/bayonets.  This engraving is typically really deep.  If memory serves I use a #10 onglette (spelling?) die sinkers chisle for almost all of my engraving - but my engraving is rather heavy-handed compared to some of the real master engravers on this site.  Buy one and it is a lifetime investment.  Be sure to sharpen the die sinkers chisle with a very tiny "heel" to the point to allow the tool to "heel" out of a cut.  You use the die sinkers chisle with the die sinker hammer - also found in Brownells.

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Re: die sinker,s chisels
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2012, 06:47:40 AM »
Hi Smylee,
I used them to make this:

They are useful for sculpting metal.
 
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Re: die sinker,s chisels
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2012, 08:13:53 AM »
  Holi Moli Dave!

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« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2012, 03:52:40 PM »
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Re: die sinker,s chisels
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2012, 05:00:55 PM »
Die sinkers are great tools. Very tough. I find them a bit heavy for light work, but they are a nice length and mass for engraving. The onglotte is also my favorite die sinker. Takes more knack to sharpen than a square graver.

Recently, my favorite is a 1/8 square lathe tool bit pressed into a 3/8 dia aluminum handle. This is very light and responsive, and fits in a Lindsay sharpening fixture. Very cheap to make.
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Re: die sinker,s chisels
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2012, 06:22:29 PM »
Hi Smylee,
James and Acer highlight their usefulness for engraving.  In addition, I think you can imagine how some of the wider flats and round-bottomed die sinker's chisels were useful in shaping and smoothing the leaves and volutes on the sideplate I showed.  Sharpened correctly, you can use them to carve metal much like wood. Takes a little more time to carve than wood though  ;).

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Re: die sinker,s chisels
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2012, 06:42:30 PM »
I have used the same three die sinker's chisels since 1979 for all of the engraving on my rifles, pistols and guns.  A couple of years ago, thanks to Acer, I purchased some Glensteel gravers from GRS, and I now use them exclusively, almost.  They hold their point much longer than the die sinker's chisels, that came from Brownell's.  My die sinker's chisels are two ongletts, and a flat.
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Re: die sinker,s chisels
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2012, 09:45:09 PM »
Die Sinkers Chisels are just that,,generally used in the die cutting trade.
A trade that is almost extinct today with most all dies (marking, embossing, stamping/shaping, roll, ect) being made by machine processes.
At one time it was a very large trade in our industrial based economy. Most engravers were die engravers first,,and firearms engravers second.
Even the engravers working in the gun factorys had the job of making the hundreds of different punch stamps and roll dies needed in manufacturing. Plus they had to recut them when they became dull.


Die Sinkers Chisels are heavy duty for removing larger amounts of material than common gravers,,though they can certainly be used for engraving delicate lines too if sharpened a bit differently and in the right hand(s).
Some gun engravers used to use them commonly along with punches for shaping heavy relief style engraving.
They were used by gun engravers when sculpting and shaping of the frame and fences was done. Heavy work done easier with a stouter chisel and hammer.

Impression and embossing dies need large amounts of material removed to leave the (sometimes reversed )image raised. Add to that, dies that also form metal into a rounded or cupped shape with decorative details within that shape,,you can see where material removal needs to be removed quickly if any progress with thoughts of making a profit are in the mix.

The heavy one piece handle & point makes for a very sturdy chisel that does not vibrate in your hand.
Alot of the Italian engravers make their firearms engraving gravers the same way of one piece. But of much slender shape and delicate point.

Most die sinkers chisels available are in HS steel at best today. So they don't cut alot of modern firearms steels any better than a standard graver of the same material dispite their size.
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Re: die sinker,s chisels
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2012, 03:54:45 AM »
Thanks everyone so far for your responses. When I saw the chisels in the catalog I thought they might work better for me than the regular gravers as they are more robust in size and my hand always cramps up when I use the small size. After reading Mr. Schippers book on engraving I have bought some round alluminum stock and will try to make some handles for the smaller sized gravers. I still have lots to learn but this is more fun than any of my old high school clases and it beats the bejebers out of watching TV.  Thanks again and best wishes.   Smylee