Author Topic: Outriggers (Read 11291 times)

DB · « **on:** April 30, 2012, 04:57:59 AM »

I am wondering what is the best way to support a rifle on the other side of the vice

T.C.Albert · « **Reply #1 on:** April 30, 2012, 05:23:27 AM »

Another vise maybe? Works for me anyway.
TC

tallbear · « **Reply #2 on:** April 30, 2012, 05:27:04 AM »

My set up.

JDK · « **Reply #3 on:** April 30, 2012, 05:40:18 AM »

Mitch, Does that Wilton have a model number stamped on it? Looks like a handy vise. J.D.

tallbear · « **Reply #4 on:** May 01, 2012, 03:02:49 PM »

JDK
The only number on the vice is 161091 10 . To my knowledge this vice hasn't been made for a while.I picked it up from a friend who is a used tool dealer.It was basically scrap when i got it.I had totally rebuild it.I have another one like it but smaller and by a different maker.They are out there check flea markets and junk shops.
I really like this vice,very versatile.I use the metal jaw side for filing,it puts the work a little higher than the wood jaws.I made sacrificial aluminum jaws for it,very handy when bending tabs on RR pipes.

Mitch

Don Getz · « **Reply #5 on:** May 01, 2012, 03:46:47 PM »

At my work bench I have a fairly large machinists vise, just kind of a standard thing, with oak jaws that just kind of sit in
the vise. About 18" on either side of the vise I have an outrigger. It is about 2' long and is held to the bench at the
back end by a bolt down thru the bench, and can be swiveled. The front end of each outrigger is about two inches lower than the vise jaws. The pads at the front of the outriggers are padded with leather, about 10" long. I wouldl be lost without them. Got the idea from Dave Motto when he lived up this way. ........Don

JDK · « **Reply #6 on:** May 01, 2012, 05:21:45 PM »

Thanks Mitch. I looked at every Wilton vise on e-bay yesterday and didn't see anything like it. I'll have to keep my eyes open. J.D.

Bill-52 · « **Reply #7 on:** May 01, 2012, 05:44:55 PM »

DB,

I use adjustable outriggers as pictured below. The cross support on both outriggers can be adjusted as needed. The vice and both outriggers are attached to the workbench by clamps, giving me a lot of flexibility in positioning. Can't claim design credit -- I read about these outriggers in Shumway's or Alexander's book.

T*O*F · « **Reply #8 on:** May 01, 2012, 08:37:39 PM »

I use the old fashioned T covered with carpet. My vise is a heavy machinist vise mounted on a corner of my workbench. I replaced the steel jaws with ones made from oak, and I have leather wraps and lead overlays. I made them by pouring melted lead into a flat tin, which I then cut to size and folded over the vise jaws.

I have no idea how you guys can work comfortably with your vise mounted in the center of the bench and all that $#@* in the way. The T can be moved anywhere it needs to be. by corner mounting, you have in excess of 270 degree access to your gun so you can move around it when necessary, like during carving or engraving. You can stand out away from it when trying to handle a 48" ramrod drill. The vise overhangs the table so you can stand the gun on end when filing buttplate screws and such, as well as removing breechplugs. I find most of your setups extremely limiting.

It's also been used over the years to mount driveshafts and several hundred U-joints have been replaced on it, as well as a multitude of other heavy tasks. all this fancy stuff reminds me more of "Tool Wars" and "Who's got the prettiest ~~studio~~.....er shop"

rich pierce · « **Reply #9 on:** May 01, 2012, 08:52:50 PM »

I like that one. Do you clamp it or just let it sit there? I use something like that but U-shaped and leather-lined, and it fits into a mortise in the bench. Downside is it's not infinitely adjutable in where it is on the bench.

T*O*F · « **Reply #10 on:** May 01, 2012, 09:18:54 PM »

Rich,
It just sits there. It don't move, and since the vise swivels 360 in both directions, you just move the vise where you want it and relocate the T. Every working gun shop that I've ever been in uses one just like it.

Eric Smith · « **Reply #11 on:** May 01, 2012, 09:24:54 PM »

I like that too. You could make a couple in different heights.

JDK · « **Reply #12 on:** May 01, 2012, 09:31:32 PM »

Quote from: E. Smith on May 01, 2012, 09:24:54 PM

I like that too. You could make a couple in different heights.

No need really. If you felt the need to make it higher than the jaws of the vise just throw a block under it. J.D.

T*O*F · « **Reply #13 on:** May 01, 2012, 09:36:38 PM »

Never found a need to make it higher. If you want it lower, you just swivel the vise and clamp the gun lower.

Bill-52 · « **Reply #14 on:** May 01, 2012, 10:12:41 PM »

TOF,

Good points regarding positioning the vice at the corner of the bench. I'm going to try that. Always learning......

Thanks,
Bill

Long Ears · « **Reply #15 on:** May 02, 2012, 05:26:37 AM »

DB, this is how I mounted my supports on each side of the vise. I also have a portable one like T.O.F. Bob

Don Tripp · « **Reply #16 on:** May 02, 2012, 01:53:32 PM »

Look in the archives for pictures of Tom Caster's bench. This is the best setup that I have used.

JDK · « **Reply #17 on:** May 02, 2012, 05:35:19 PM »

Is this the bench you are referring too?:
http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=20385.msg193654#msg193654

LehighBrad · « **Reply #18 on:** May 02, 2012, 10:41:55 PM »

I agree with T*O*F. I too have my vise mounted at the corner of my bench. Where my bench is located in my basement the corner position of my vise allows me 270 degrees of walk-around space. I use one outrigger made of two 4 x 4 posts mounted one on top of the other with the top one covered in a piece of carpet. The posts are held to my bench with one big bolt so the outrigger can be swiveled as needed.

Vomitus · « **Reply #19 on:** May 03, 2012, 04:36:32 AM »

I gotta find one of those "green" vices!

JDK · « **Reply #20 on:** May 03, 2012, 04:47:15 AM »

Woodcraft, $134.99: http://www.woodcraft.com/product/2003516/25437/woodriver-carvers-or-gunstock-carving-vise.aspx

Enjoy, J.D.

joatmon · « **Reply #21 on:** May 03, 2012, 06:12:24 AM »

LeHighBrad, you must dabel with tin type pictures! Your's came out backwords like that Billy the Kid photo!! The lock looks like it's on the wrong side!

Don Tripp · « **Reply #22 on:** May 04, 2012, 08:32:02 AM »

Quote from: JDK on May 02, 2012, 05:35:19 PM

Is this the bench you are referring too?:
http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=20385.msg193654#msg193654

Yes that's the one. That one is oak but mine is pine 2X12 and it's plenty stable and very convenient. I'm grateful to Tom for giving me a measured drawing of this bench a few years back. I still have them, the drawing resides in my book case next to RCA I & II and Thoughts on the Kentucky Longrifle.

LehighBrad · « **Reply #23 on:** May 06, 2012, 04:07:11 PM »

Leatherbelly.....J.D. is right.....Woodcraft....that's where I got the vise......just a few weeks back. The closest Woodcraft store to me was in Harrisburg, Pa. Called them up, they checked their inventory, told me they had ONE in stock at that time, so I hopped in the truck and drove down there that day and snapped it up!! I love it!! Works great and is VERY adjustable to hold any oddball shape.

Curtis · « **Reply #24 on:** May 13, 2012, 07:23:01 AM »

This is my current version of outriggers. There is a clamp on each end.

Curtis

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