Author Topic: RCA #18 John Schreit - Original Guard  (Read 8805 times)

Offline Mike C

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RCA #18 John Schreit - Original Guard
« on: May 15, 2012, 05:08:11 PM »
The guard currently on the Schreit rifle is a replacement. What would be a plausible guess for the original? TOW has 4 guards described as Berks/Reading. Don't know what Reaves Goehring might have. Would appreciate your insight.
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Re: RCA #18 John Schreit - Original Guard
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2012, 06:22:25 PM »
The guard currently on the Schreit rifle is a replacement. What would be a plausible guess for the original? TOW has 4 guards described as Berks/Reading. Don't know what Reaves Goehring might have. Would appreciate your insight.
Mike C

Good thinking to not replicate the current guard which is much too late in style.  There is a long and obscure history of the Schreit rifle and how it has been modified over the years.  One summary:  The rifle originally had either a wooden or horn guard.  This was replaced in England with a late style guard.  This was replaced here with the current guard and at the same time the step in the wrist was visually altered through the removal of the slightest bit of wood. 

So, we do not have a suitable replacement for the original guard if indeed it was not brass.  However if you do not feel the need for a close copy, but can use the Schreit rifle as the basis for your build, I would recommend the double spur guard of Reeves as a suitable guard for a rifle of that time and architecture, or use a guard such as the one on RCA 20, 21, etc, which were made in Reading area as well as the Schreit rifle.  Or contrive something with a spur like on RCA 19, but with simpler fore and aft extensions.
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Re: RCA #18 John Schreit - Original Guard
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2012, 11:13:44 PM »
Rich,

I'm pretty sure the guard has been changed again since it was photographed for RCA.  If I'm wrong, somebody please speak up.

Jim

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Re: RCA #18 John Schreit - Original Guard
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2012, 11:33:36 PM »
Rich,

I'm pretty sure the guard has been changed again since it was photographed for RCA.  If I'm wrong, somebody please speak up.

Jim

You're right.  Someone said (on a thread I fear referencing :)) it has another guard installed in the Hornberger book, and I think it probably is better sized and reveals more of what is left of the step, but I haven't seen it yet.  If I were building something based on RCA #18, I would check out the book before settling on a triggerguard.

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Re: RCA #18 John Schreit - Original Guard
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2012, 10:25:28 PM »
Thank you, Gentlemen, for your thoughts. I have access to the Hornberger book and will check it out.
Mike C
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Re: RCA #18 John Schreit - Original Guard
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2012, 04:04:16 AM »
Heck, if I were in your position I'd just call Reaves and tell him what you're doing, and see what he has to say.  He probably knows what was originally on it as he probably was there when it was built hahahahahahahahahaha.  Sorry.  Seriously, I can't remember his numbering system off the top of my head, but he has a couple of different guards that would work REALLY well for that rifle.  Doesn't matter what's on it in pictures - that's all just speculation.  Go with an early guard that looks right for your particular stocking.
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Re: RCA #18 John Schreit - Original Guard
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2012, 04:13:03 AM »
I expect to see Reaves at Friendship next month.
Mike C
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Re: RCA #18 John Schreit - Original Guard
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2012, 08:13:03 AM »
Short of going to a show that he happens to attend...How would someone contact Reeves Goering? Does he have a list of what he makes?

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Re: RCA #18 John Schreit - Original Guard
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2012, 01:53:31 PM »
I did a fast " search" above, for Reeves, and found a list of items he has  as well as a post of photos . The contact info is with the item list.

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Offline Tom Currie

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Re: RCA #18 John Schreit - Original Guard
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2012, 06:55:24 PM »
The guard that Rich Pierce mentioned is I believe Reaves Goehring # 33 which is a Jack Haugh pattern. I have used this in the past also. It has a double arc spur , in my case I removed the 2nd arc and it looks fine. It's a big guard, about the same size as the Marshall Rifle guard. I used mine on a Christian's Spring build but I believe it would work fine on most big early guns. One early feature is that the grip rail stands away from the stock itself.


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Re: RCA #18 John Schreit - Original Guard
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2012, 07:13:01 PM »
It's got a nice knuckle too in case you want to drill for a swivel mount.  Nice carving, Tom!
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Re: RCA #18 John Schreit - Original Guard
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2012, 07:32:48 PM »
I really like that carving pattern behind the cheek!
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Re: RCA #18 John Schreit - Original Guard
« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2012, 07:39:09 PM »
Tom,show us some more pictures.You have perked my interest.

Offline Tom Currie

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Re: RCA #18 John Schreit - Original Guard
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2012, 09:10:28 PM »
At Mike's request I'll post some additional pics. This rifle was completed in 2010 I think. I started this build after receiving the KRA Moravian CD.

Glad you guys like it. I gave this rifle to my nephew as his High School graduation present.











 

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Re: RCA #18 John Schreit - Original Guard
« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2012, 10:13:51 PM »
Looks good AND looks real.
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Re: RCA #18 John Schreit - Original Guard
« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2012, 10:40:57 PM »
Nice!Can I be your nephew also?I graduated 5th grade.

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Re: RCA #18 John Schreit - Original Guard
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2012, 11:42:26 PM »
Thanks again for the input. I just got off the phone with Reaves. He said he has a guard that Jack Haugh designed that would be right for an early Reading and he will be at Friendship the first weekend.
Mike C
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