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Offline hanshi

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Leather Butt plate
« on: June 13, 2012, 07:14:36 PM »
I'm fitting a leather butt plate on an old Traditions rifle.  I've soaked it in water and dried it and it is wood hard; exactly like I wanted.  Is there anything I can soak, impregnate the leather with or apply that will preserve, keep it from cracking, make it easier to file,etc or just make it give good service??
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Re: Leather Butt plate
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2012, 08:22:48 PM »
Hey, pal, you could cover it with sheet brass!   ;D  Could not resist.  You might try contacting Chuck Burrows or Wick Ellerbe who know how to treat leather right.  Us gunbuilders w/o leather skilz will probably be no help at all. 
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Re: Leather Butt plate
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2012, 08:37:56 PM »
Try roofing tar!   ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Leather Butt plate
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2012, 09:35:59 PM »
Seriously, if I had some brass foil I'd be willing to encase it in that.  An idea I had was to maybe encase it in aluminum by cutting open a soda can.  The hardware, such as it is, is blackened aluminum that I was planning on wire brushing off.  Hmmm...that way it would match +/-. 8)
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Re: Leather Butt plate
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2012, 10:18:03 PM »
Do not add any petrolium products to leather... it will make it brittle.

Soak it in hot liquid wax. As long as its hot it will be pliable but once cooled it will be resistant to water and very hard.  This process is called cuir bullie.

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Re: Leather Butt plate
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2012, 11:23:30 PM »
Just out of curiosity, why are you putting a leather butt plate on your gun?

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Re: Leather Butt plate
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2012, 01:24:44 AM »
Just out of curiosity, why are you putting a leather butt plate on your gun?



Very good question and here's my very bad answer.  First, I wanted to go cheap with whatever I had on hand if possible.  Second, couldn't find a butt plate that would work on this gun.  Third, money is very limited - skill even more so - which meant buying a piece of brass in hopes I could make make one is out at this time.  Fourth, I do things like this from time to time and no one can figure out why I do them :o

If I could find a plain brass butt plate I could probably file it down to work okay.  That has not worked out, unfortunately. 
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Re: Leather Butt plate
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2012, 03:15:17 AM »
Mr Hanshi--go for it with leather.Built a .36 entirely from parts that I had lying aroun for years. Only needed a stock fromPecatonica -no curl Tenn Mt-Had allI needed except buttplate used scrap leather soaked in paste furniture wax and rubbed down quite a bit. Nailed it on. covers     rear curve only. Has done well for some yrs.put on more wax from time to time. Fine for squirrels and strictly a PARTS rifle-Tenn Mt fullstock, bedford caplock given to me,Ohio triggerguard that costs me two dollars, buckhorn rear sight and original trigger that cost me three dollars at  Friendship. I am now making a sorta matching pistol that will cost about65 dollars for the old parts-cannot figure out where to put any leather on it though.  I have done such as this from left over parts for about 35 yrs whenever I am not working on a school-type rifle.  Good luclots of folks make parts rifles that do not fit a specific category

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Re: Leather Butt plate
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2012, 03:57:26 AM »
I am now making a sorta matching pistol that will cost about65 dollars for the old parts-cannot figure out where to put any leather on it though.

I'm thinking a tine from an old lawn rake sewn between two pieces of leather and bent into the shape of a trigger guard that flows down the front of the pistol grip. ;)

That would do it.  J.D.
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Re: Leather Butt plate
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2012, 04:17:37 AM »
JDK Very original sir! Good thing I cannot sew.  regards

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Re: Leather Butt plate
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2012, 04:32:09 AM »
Aw, come on, if I can sew then anybody can.....really!

Enjoy, J.D.
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Re: Leather Butt plate
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2012, 04:22:12 PM »
 Man Oh man, you guys really know how to tap into memory lane. About twenty five years ago, a guy that I ran into periodically at rendezvous showed up with a replica of an early Southern mountain rifle, with a shiny black leather buttplate, and patchbox. We all laughed at him, but he was a researching machine, and we should have known how much he loved to do stuff just like this. He loved  to get us all fired up, so he could present his research, and make us look like idiots. He loved to tour back water hick towns, and visit their museums. Sure enough, he had pictures of an old battered rifle that at this late date I would say might have been built in North Carolina, or Virginia. The buttplate, and patchbox , were made of jacked leather. This was heavy leather that has gone through a boiling process of some sort. He said tavern tankards, and fire buckets were made using this process. I must admit I have never seen another example of this type of furniture, or a replica of such furniture either.
 The furniture appeared to have been formed in a clamp type form, or mold of some sort, and then had the hard boiled pitch finish applied after the shaping, and trimming, was finished.

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