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Offline TMerkley

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JP Beck Barrels
« on: June 21, 2012, 09:32:20 PM »
This may be a vague question,  Did JP Beck use Swamped and Straight barrels?  Approximately what calibers were average for him? I am putting parts together to someday make one. 

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Re: JP Beck Barrels
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2012, 10:01:29 PM »
From what I have learned on here, most if not all longrifles built during the Beck's time used swamped barrels.  Even more important to me is the balance swamped barrels can achieve versus straight barrels 

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Re: JP Beck Barrels
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2012, 10:24:56 PM »
I've seen a half dozen up close and all had swamped barrels, thougb sometimes more subtle than some profiles commonly used today.  Calibers I have seen run from .45 on up to big smoothbore calibers, .54 and in some cases larger.  In addition to Rifles of Colonial America volume 2 by Shumway, Kindig's Kentucky Rifles of the Golden Age has several J.P. Becks as does Kentucky Rifles and Pistols 1750-1850.
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Re: JP Beck Barrels
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2012, 10:29:37 PM »
Page 434 RCA II, an octagon to round .50 cal. smoothbore.
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Re: JP Beck Barrels
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2012, 05:03:49 AM »
Thanks,

I have an orginal swamped .440 about 42 inches long, I thought about.  But also have a Samuel Beck barrel that is 1" straight I thought about as well. 
Just thought it would be interesting to use the S Beck barrel on a JP beck rifle. 

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Re: JP Beck Barrels
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2012, 05:12:08 AM »
Many original barrels had such slight swamping, it's hard to tell the swamp without calipers.

I can't speak for Beck, but I will opine that earlier barrels (pre-Rev)had more swamp, growing straighter as the century turned and headed toward the Civil War.
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Re: JP Beck Barrels
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2012, 05:42:08 AM »
My first rifle project was like that.  The Breech was 1and 1/8, tapered to 1" and 1 and 1/16th at the muzzle. It too was an original barrel bought it at Friendship in 09.  HEAVY barrel.

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Re: JP Beck Barrels
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2012, 10:56:39 PM »
Do you shoot these original barrel??  Do you have a way of magnafluxing or some other form of non destructive proofing them??
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Re: JP Beck Barrels
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2012, 09:06:33 AM »
Do you shoot these original barrel??  Do you have a way of magnafluxing or some other form of non destructive proofing them??

I shot the first one, starting with about 40 grains and moved up to about 80. No more than that.  The walls on that one were about 1/4 thick and in excellent shape.  I cut off 1" from the breech and had it rethreaded for a modern plug and put in by a professional gunsmith here in town. (I still got the rolled eyes look when I told him what I was going to do with it.) No garauntee it will hold he said because it was an old barrel.  I told him it was worth a try.  That barrel is on the rifle posted in the thread about "pictures of first rifles" The one I referred to as Frankenstein. 

The s Beck barrel has only been fired once. the walls on that one are almost 5/16 thick, as it is about a 36-38 cal .375 is "TIGHT". It was fired from a rimless tire with a powder charge measured from a .44 mag casing.  No problems.  1st things 1st about old barrels, if it looks as rough as sewer pipe, Don't Do it!  If it is just dirty and has minor surface rust and few pits, then, It will probably work out.  Have a new breech plug installed and drum or flash hole. Don't over load it and as a rule about 1grain per caliber is a good load.  To load a proper charge, use the old method of pouring the powder over the ball in the palm of your hand. That is what the barrel was originally intended to shoot! Not much more than that! 

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Re: JP Beck Barrels
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2012, 09:28:25 PM »
Is there any data regarding the proportion of barrels from barrel makers being straight (easier to manufacture?) versus swamped?