T. Ketland & Co.

[sheetslitter]

I have a Ketland rifle that I would love additional information on. The gun is nice with a fair bore and mechanics. This is my first post so bare with me please!
Thanks!
Pics on Flickr

http://www.flickr.com/photos/35880912@N05/

[JV Puleo]

Not a rife... and its not really a Ketland either. A Belgian-made "fake" Ketland ca. 1816-1820 with fake British proof marks. Having said that, it is old and its "fake" only in that it isn't English made. Beginning around 1816... after Thomas K Jr. returned to England, there seems to have been a rash of "Ketland" marked guns imported... there was no "truth in advertising" law at the time and the K name was extremely well known so it was common, if not exactly ethical, to put any name you'd like on them. Thirty years later the Belgians were selling all sorts of double guns marked "Manton" or "Richards"...
The large typeface of the name, stamped in an arc is a dead give-away, even without the funny proof marks.

[sheetslitter]

Sir
I am not sure that it is a rifle. I have been told it was a fowler and I have been told it was smooth bore rifle? I know just about enough to get into trouble...
Thanks

[sheetslitter]

Thanks for helping me out. I have often wondered about this gun. It is light and seems like it would have been a great game getter. Too bad it is a rip off of another man's work! I got this gun and several others from an estate in N. Mississippi. Thanks Again!

Not a rife... and its not really a Ketland either. A Belgian-made "fake" Ketland ca. 1816-1820 with fake British proof marks. Having said that, it is old and its "fake" only in that it isn't English made. Beginning around 1816... after Thomas K Jr. returned to England, there seems to have been a rash of "Ketland" marked guns imported... there was no "truth in advertising" law at the time and the K name was extremely well known so it was common, if not exactly ethical, to put any name you'd like on them. Thirty years later the Belgians were selling all sorts of double guns marked "Manton" or "Richards"...
The large typeface of the name, stamped in an arc is a dead give-away, even without the funny proof marks.

[LynnC]

I do not think I'm seeing the correct pictures.  They seem to be the "SD" pics from another post.

I'm always interested in old fowling pieces and would like to see 

[sheetslitter]

I do not think I'm seeing the correct pictures.  They seem to be the "SD" pics from another post.

I'm always interested in old fowling pieces and would like to see 

Sorry Lynn!
I added them back here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/35880912@N05/sets/72157630637541988/

I would appreciate any info you have!

[eddillon]

DSTs on a fowler?  Would that be just another sales gimmick?

[sheetslitter]

Sorry Lynn! I had a wrong pic in that set. That is from another mystery gun I have posted. The "Ketland" is a single trigger. It is a very nice gun - light and quick! It had to be a pleasure to carry compared to some.

[Bob Roller]

Double set triggers or any other spring loaded trigger on a Fowler would make about as much sense as a set of $1000 long range sights on a blunderbus.

Bob Roller

[LynnC]

I see the fowler pics now and thanks for posting them.       (BTW, I didn't comment on the set triggers.)

Not much I can tell about it.  The trigger guard looks french though the english also used the style.  The engraved "snow flake" on the TG bow looks english.

Perhaps someone recognizes the barrel proofs.  It looks like .58 to .60 caliber.

No side plate says to me an affordable working mans gun.

The lock was converted from flint.

A nice fowling piece.  Could we see a full side view and maybe from the forearm back?