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Offline Feltwad

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Original Flintlocks
« on: September 19, 2012, 09:24:39 PM »
Enclosed  image of different types of English and Continental Flintlocks From the top A 10 inch punt gun or Market gun converted to percussion , a 2 bore bank or wall gun lock ,  A snaphaunce lock, A sporting shotgun lock , a Spanish lock, a migulet lock , a pair of sporting shotgun locks.
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Offline Joe Stein

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Re: Original Flintlocks
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2012, 12:29:12 AM »
Very nice, Feltwad.  Thank you.  It would be nice to see the insides, too if you have pictures.

Joe

Offline Majorjoel

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Re: Original Flintlocks
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2012, 12:36:28 AM »
A very nice lock collection you have there Feltwad! I would almost bet my money that you also have the stocks and barrels that they attach to! ;D  As you folk's over there would put it........."Bloody good show, old man"
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Re: Original Flintlocks
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2012, 08:40:24 AM »
Majorjoel

Yes these locks are from guns enclosed are the complete images of some
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SxS 20 bore flintlock



Internal side of locks


2 bore Bank Gun {Wall Gun]











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Offline Bob Roller

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Re: Original Flintlocks
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2012, 02:27:42 PM »
 I don't see how the right hand lock could work properly with
that mainspring as low as it is with the cock in the down position.
I'm thinking that mainspring may be a replacement and it seems
the left hand lock has a proper geometry and sets up in the plate
like it should.They are good looking locks and prove that the  links
to the mainsprings are NOT new ideas. I have been criticized for
using them but here is more proof that there is nothing new about
my design.
Many thanks for showing these.

Bob Roller

Offline Joe Stein

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Re: Original Flintlocks
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2012, 07:29:34 PM »
Internals and mounted in their stocks!  Thank you, Feltwad.

Bob Roller, I think that t is the tumbler in the right lock that is a replacement.  Different nose where the link attaches, and overall not as elegant looking as the tumbler in the left side lock.

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Offline Feltwad

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Re: Original Flintlocks
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2012, 08:26:15 PM »
Bob

I can assure you that these locks  work well  yes the spring is a replacement misfires are few .
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Offline Bob Roller

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Re: Original Flintlocks
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2012, 09:20:16 PM »
I think you are right about the tumbler. As old as these
locks are,it is a wonder that more hasn't been replaced.

Bob Roller

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Re: Original Flintlocks
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2012, 09:55:28 PM »
Enclosed is a couple of images of a French sxs flintlock, notice these locks have no water proof pans like the English sxs
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French sxs flintlock



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Offline Hudnut

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Re: Original Flintlocks
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2012, 02:39:00 AM »
Here are some more locks.


This is a small left hand pistol sized lock, never used, never final finished.


James Wilkinson 16ga shotgun, made 1822.

Offline Bob Roller

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Re: Original Flintlocks
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2012, 06:28:06 AM »
 That Wilkinson lock is a beauty. I'd like to have a set of external
parts for a lock like this.

Bob Roller

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Re: Original Flintlocks
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2012, 02:49:30 PM »
Doesn't clearly show in the photos, but the frizzen does not lie against the barrel.  The lockplate has a loop that extends up and over the touchole, and the frizzen is fitted against that.  The touchole bushing is larger in diameter than it appears.  The internals of the lock are beautiful.
I found the chap who has the Wilkinson papers, and got a copy of the page on which the gun is recorded.  It was entered Sept. 7, 1822.  Of the 15 guns on the page, two thirds are percussion.  Unfortunately, the buyer's name was not recorded; for most of the other guns, this was listed, sometimes with a signature.  Perhaps the gun was sold over the counter at their Pall Mall address.  The names of the three primary workers who made the gun are there.
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Offline Majorjoel

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Re: Original Flintlocks
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2012, 03:13:38 PM »
There is another fine looking flintlock fowler by Wilkinson for sale over at Gunsamerica. I like the look of that French style lock on it. I also have nothing to do with this piece. Posting just for the educational interest ;).       A question for Feltwad.......I know those French locks on your double are not as sophisticated as the later English Flintlocks, but what is your opinion on shooting performance between them? I have owned and enjoyed shooting a very similar styled French piece and have kind of become kindred to their elegant appearance as well as quick reliable ignition.     http://www.gunsamerica.com/982803225/Guns/Shotguns/Antique/18_gage_Flintlock_Fowler_by_James_Wilkinson.htm
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Re: Original Flintlocks
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2012, 03:57:09 PM »
Earlier than mine.  If there is a serial number on the bottom of the barrel, the gun might be in the books.

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Re: Original Flintlocks
« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2012, 07:30:45 PM »
Majorjoel

Although I have only shot the French flintlock occasional I found no difference in the  ignition.
Feltwad