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vent picks
« on: October 01, 2012, 07:14:26 PM »
 I have noticed a trend to add a vent pick under the cheek piece of many rifles, what are they using for the holders? hand forged eyelets? I like the look and would consider adding one to a fowler. anyone make these for sale? thanks

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Re: vent picks
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2012, 10:02:15 PM »
Vent pick under the cheek piece = beard trap.  Been there, done that.  It hurts.

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Re: vent picks
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2012, 10:06:58 PM »
Try Peterandsons forge on ebay or google them.
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Re: vent picks
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2012, 10:17:36 PM »
Use a feather.  I doesn't tear up the touchhole.
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Re: vent picks
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2012, 10:48:14 PM »
beard trap....hahahahahha.

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Re: vent picks
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2012, 12:22:17 AM »
 probly is a beard trap , however  I found that a straight razor does wonders, So I no longer support a fur face

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Re: vent picks
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2012, 01:46:03 AM »
Or just make one.
It's really simple.
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« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2012, 03:17:55 AM »
Knob Mountain has them.

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Re: vent picks
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2012, 12:25:28 AM »
I make staples from 1/16" black tie wire.

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Re: vent picks
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2012, 05:09:43 PM »
Use a feather.  I doesn't tear up the touchhole.
Ol Rich is right, been there!

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Re: vent picks
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2012, 01:09:53 AM »
Stephen P'Pool, Kentucky, made a flint rifle which Shelby Gallien dated 1810 -1830. Under the cheek is  a hexagonal (yes, hex-, not oct- ) formed brass tube 2" long 0.16" I.D. on forward end and about 0.2 inch diameter

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Re: vent picks
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2012, 02:33:40 AM »
I prefer a vent pick on my pouch.  Another fur face.

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Re: vent picks
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2012, 02:48:16 AM »
probly is a beard trap , however  I found that a straight razor does wonders, So I no longer support a fur face
I to will never buy another razor blade. Have been curious about these under cheeck peice mounts,  never thought about them being a  whisker trap !! 

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Re: vent picks
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2012, 03:10:50 AM »
Bend wire or small finish nails to make staples (cut off the heads of course). I like to keep a feather there. A clipped feather works like a pipe cleaner only more PC and easier to find out in the woods.
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Re: vent picks
« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2012, 05:59:36 AM »
speaking of feavers for picking, how common is the vertical hole in to the bottom of the stock as such:



rifle by Ken Guy.

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Re: vent picks
« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2012, 06:35:26 AM »
as far as a pick tearing up a touch hole, i make mine out of brass. pick, not touch hole.   ???     mark

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Re: vent picks
« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2012, 07:59:22 AM »
speaking of feavers for picking, how common is the vertical hole in to the bottom of the stock as such:



rifle by Ken Guy.



Hey! I'm it's new caretaker.Lost the feather right off,but they're easy to replace. I use a straight piece of piano wire with a twist for a cord.,no tapered metal. I've watched a local fellow who just grinds a tapered pick in his vent and then reams with it! Yikes! Keeps his builder busy replacing vent liners,lol!

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« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2012, 09:34:39 AM »
She's a lovely lass that Penny.  Love that double box and the finish/colors.  how's that for catching on stuff?

quill retention issues?  a light spring mebbe perhaps?
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Re: vent picks
« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2012, 04:12:43 PM »
   Wade,
No probs with the patch box snagging.The ramrod is going to be replaced with a tapered one. That will fix any issue of snagging. I received this little rifle in the summer and really haven't had the time yet to "wring" her out much due to other events like rendezvous'....and now another nice rifle landed in my lap so maybe I'll get out this weeken...shucks, moose hunting this weekend.That's how it goes,lol.
  Sorry to derail this thread. I get a kick outta the way some peoples use of their picks. Me, I just give it a quick innie/outtie with a straight pick, and that's all she needs!

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Re: vent picks
« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2012, 04:50:25 PM »
Regarding the tube style pick holder... From Ivey's book it appears to be a fairly common NC feature. On the one pictured on this thread it would appear that this one has a tab (like a ram rod thimble) that is inlet into a cut up and under the cheek, and then pinned in place. Am I seeing this right?

Regarding using staples... From the pictures I've seen it seems like the lower leg of the staple is inserted directly into the side of the stock under the cheek, but the upper leg is inserted upward into the bottom of the cheek. Am I also seeing this right? I always wondered because it doesn't seem to be the easiest way of doing it, but it seems pretty consistent for guns pictured in RCA and elsewhere.

FYI... while not historically accurate, I've used paper clips to great effect as vent picks. They're nice an soft and just the right size. 
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Re: vent picks
« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2012, 06:45:01 PM »
In Mr. Kelly's example, what you're seeing is filing in the tube.  The pins that secure the tube are likely brazed to the tube and set into the stock, up on an angle under the cheek piece.
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Re: vent picks
« Reply #21 on: October 10, 2012, 08:29:14 PM »
Feathers do make nice touch hole picks...however just be sure you know what kind of feather you're picking up off the forest floor.  A buddy of mine found and used one for this purpose.  Upon coming out of state game lands one year in deer season, we were checked out by the local warden.  He informed my buddy that the feather was from a hawk and being in possession of any part of a hawk (I believe I'm correct) carried a ten thousand dollar fine.  My buddy pleaded ignorance and through it on the ground.  I'll bet there's a fine in some state if you have a blue bird feather and that happens to be the state bird!
« Last Edit: October 10, 2012, 08:32:20 PM by acorn20 »
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Re: vent picks
« Reply #22 on: October 10, 2012, 08:36:35 PM »
I may be wrong, but I thought feathers were commonly used to "peg" the pan on a rifle, not as a vent pick. A pan is pegged to prevent the lock from firing the main charge. Like when using the lock to start a fire or when storing the gun loaded etc...
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Re: vent picks
« Reply #23 on: October 10, 2012, 10:58:15 PM »
I may be wrong, but I thought feathers were commonly used to "peg" the pan on a rifle, not as a vent pick. A pan is pegged to prevent the lock from firing the main charge. Like when using the lock to start a fire or when storing the gun loaded etc...
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Re: vent picks
« Reply #24 on: October 10, 2012, 11:34:47 PM »
All ye who cleanse the touch hole with a partridge wing have, I would suppose, a much larger vent than do most rifles today.
As far as the illustrated pick holder, Stephen Pool learnt his trade in North Carolina before moving to Kentucky. When first I saw this rifle, which had just traveled from Kentucky in the back of a pickup, I thought by the stock shape it was North Carolina. One of the Williamsburg guys, and a Pool descendant from Memphis, educated me on that matter. Memphis gentlemen told me the name was originally Pettipool, hence all the census names had "P" for what I thought a middle initial. Shelby Gallien has done considerable research on this, told me the "S" was for Stephen.
Did I digress? Never thought about how that brass tube was attached to Mr. P'Pool's rifle but that does look like the end of an iron pin just above it.
As stricly an Amateur flint shooter I will now spout off my unfounded opinion: - damnd if I could clean the vent on my rifle with a feather. Fouling can be too hard. I have used copper wire - too soft, bends -prefer hard drawn brass vent picks. Our local Champeen says he used a steel needle, careully pushing it into the vent until it hit the far barrel wall. This to ensure an opening in the charge for the flash from pan to ignite.