Author Topic: Are any Contemporary Makers making SxS 's ? (Read 13085 times)

gizamo · « **on:** October 28, 2012, 02:31:48 AM »

Any makers producing side by sides? Or is the market to limited...to justify this type of gun?

Shreckmeister · « **Reply #1 on:** October 28, 2012, 02:38:29 AM »

Randy Weitzel just completed a s x s bedford rifle carved

Don Getz · « **Reply #2 on:** October 28, 2012, 04:30:35 AM »

Rob.........A double rifle like the Bedford are feasible to make, but much easier than a double shotgun. A double rifle in a
Bedford has to be the most awkward gun one could imagine. Ed Rayl makes double barrel smoothbore sets, I believe
they are in the $1000 range, not a fun thing to do.........Don

gizamo · « **Reply #3 on:** October 28, 2012, 11:42:04 AM »

Don,

So there must be a market if Ed is making smoothbore barrel sets. Also, I own one that was made by converting a percussion models set of barrels flint. Other then the Indian imports...are there any American made or semi production gums available?

Mike Brooks · « **Reply #4 on:** October 28, 2012, 06:29:14 PM »

There is a large market for english styled flint SXS's. Problem is no one wants to pay for them.

gizamo · « **Reply #5 on:** October 28, 2012, 06:49:40 PM »

Mike,

Agreed... My one gun was a barrel conversion done some years back by Terry Briggs. So it is a mix of old and new parts. It sure feels lively, and shoots well. I would like to have another built in a smaller gauge...

Mike Brooks · « **Reply #6 on:** October 29, 2012, 03:10:56 AM »

That's a nice looking gun. They are so much work I won't do them any more....building guns that are hard work aren't fun, and I'm not into not having fun anymore.

t.caster · « **Reply #7 on:** October 29, 2012, 08:01:32 PM »

I'm with you Mike! I built an English SxS flinter in 20 ga. about 18 yrs ago for a guy, and was able to buy it back from his family after he died. I've had numerous inquiries about building another one, but they all walk away holding onto there wallet when I tell them how much. They don't understand the amount of hard work involved. I figure almost twice as much $$$$$ as a longrifle !

Dphariss · « **Reply #8 on:** October 30, 2012, 05:51:59 AM »

Don King made two double flint Bedfords.
Someone was pestering me to make one but I have not given in yet.

Dan

Jim Kibler · « **Reply #9 on:** October 30, 2012, 07:58:29 PM »

I couldn't even bring myself to make one single barrel Bedford rifle. Two doubles

He must have some perseverance!

gizamo · « **Reply #10 on:** October 30, 2012, 10:07:22 PM »

So...:...

If someone could conjole, sweet talk, and twist an arm.... What would be a fair price to jave a contemporary maker put together a late period double smoothbore? Let us exclude the parts and just give a fair price on the labor involved. Say a fairly simple part sets are used, minimal and simple engraving on the gun. Basically a basic gun.

Anyone willing to ballpark it?

Don Stith · « **Reply #11 on:** October 30, 2012, 10:35:22 PM »

The Bedford is probably the simplest build of any double. The barrels are not joined in any way. Each barrel even has it's own tang and sights

Mike Brooks · « **Reply #12 on:** October 30, 2012, 11:52:53 PM »

Quote from: gizamo on October 30, 2012, 10:07:22 PM

So...:...

If someone could conjole, sweet talk, and twist an arm.... What would be a fair price to jave a contemporary maker put together a late period double smoothbore? Let us exclude the parts and just give a fair price on the labor involved. Say a fairly simple part sets are used, minimal and simple engraving on the gun. Basically a basic gun.

Anyone willing to ballpark it?

Money isn't the issue, you'd have to give me a beating a day to get me to work on it.....

gizamo · « **Reply #13 on:** October 31, 2012, 12:09:30 AM »

Quote from: Mike Brooks on October 30, 2012, 11:52:53 PM

Quote from: gizamo on October 30, 2012, 10:07:22 PM
So...:...

If someone could conjole, sweet talk, and twist an arm.... What would be a fair price to jave a contemporary maker put together a late period double smoothbore? Let us exclude the parts and just give a fair price on the labor involved. Say a fairly simple part sets are used, minimal and simple engraving on the gun. Basically a basic gun.

Anyone willing to ballpark it?
Money isn't the issue, you'd have to give me a beating a day to get me to work on it.....

Consider it Done....

Giz

Don Stith · « **Reply #14 on:** October 31, 2012, 03:01:59 AM »

Aw Come on Mike
I'll loan you an original to copy. Don't know how I'd get it to you though.

D. Taylor Sapergia · « **Reply #15 on:** October 31, 2012, 03:44:09 AM »

You cannot exclude the price of the parts, because most of them have to be hand made, so they are the labour.
After making a double flint gun, the engraving would be a pleasure, and should not be taken away from the maker. If there is any consolation, there is no relief carving apart from the beaver tails at the lock panels. And the chequering...
With the first and only double flint shotgun I built, I bought three damascus barreled guns before I found a pair of barrels I liked.
I think a fair price for such a gun would be around 15 K, if it's a number you seek.
Someone out there offers a production double flinter, I believe.

CowboyCS · « **Reply #16 on:** October 31, 2012, 06:51:17 AM »

After I finish the Side by Side 2 Bore I am currently building, I will be starting a matched set of 10 Bore Purdey Style Double Rifles. I build quite a few English Double Rifles even a German Double Rifle once in a while but I have yet to have a customer call me looking for American Doubles. Usually when people think of Double Rifles they are thinking of the days of the Great White Hunters and Africa. Shotguns are a different matter they take almost as much time to build(other than regulation, shotguns are much easier to regulate) and yet most people think they should cost lots less.

Dphariss · « **Reply #17 on:** October 31, 2012, 07:47:02 AM »

Quote from: Jim Kibler on October 30, 2012, 07:58:29 PM

I couldn't even bring myself to make one single barrel Bedford rifle. Two doubles He must have some perseverance!

Don likes Bedfords and Armstrongs.
If people wanted one he made it and he could make anything. He did the Antes Swivel twice that I know of. Numerous other swivels including some different stuff like this.

The firing mechanism is the modified DST, cocking the hammer (a modified DST rear trigger), sets it for firing.

He made a number of Vincent Rifles as well. Those he made for Golden Age Arms were unsigned. I think he told me he was making these 6 at a time. I have no idea how many he made.

Dan

cmac · « **Reply #18 on:** October 31, 2012, 02:18:36 PM »

Allan Sandy has done a few. He had one at the CLA show this year. Beautiful work.

Mike Brooks · « **Reply #19 on:** October 31, 2012, 02:58:59 PM »

Quote from: Don Stith on October 31, 2012, 03:01:59 AM

Aw Come on Mike
I'll loan you an original to copy. Don't know how I'd get it to you though.

Thanks for the offer Don, I have 3 here myself and still don't care to build one again.

pathfinder · « **Reply #20 on:** November 01, 2012, 01:40:59 AM »

I've got the book,"Recreating the Double Barrel Shotgun",been on the bench @ 20 years,looking at me,saying,"It's not that hard,take a piece of wood,get some barrels,..............,how hard could it be? LOL!

Seriously,one day............

dbraw · « **Reply #21 on:** November 01, 2012, 09:39:33 PM »

I also have had the book for years and have studied it thoroughly. I finally decided that I will never attempt one. I did build a double barrel Howdah pistol this year and that was enough.
Dan

PPatch · « **Reply #22 on:** November 05, 2012, 02:44:00 AM »

Quote from: CowboyCS on October 31, 2012, 06:51:17 AM

After I finish the Side by Side 2 Bore I am currently building, I will be starting a matched set of 10 Bore Purdey Style Double Rifles. I build quite a few English Double Rifles even a German Double Rifle once in a while but I have yet to have a customer call me looking for American Doubles. Usually when people think of Double Rifles they are thinking of the days of the Great White Hunters and Africa. Shotguns are a different matter they take almost as much time to build(other than regulation, shotguns are much easier to regulate) and yet most people think they should cost lots less.

Colin;

I have been following your build on the Double Deuce - what a monster! A very well done monster it is though and your craftsmanship outstanding. I was amazed at the cost of materials, and then more amazed when you milled most of it onto the shop floor, but obviously that is what it takes to produce something above and beyond.

Thank you for documenting your build, very interesting.

Dave

Tommykid · « **Reply #23 on:** December 05, 2012, 10:35:39 PM »

Gary "Doc" White built this 16 bore for me a couple years back. He has a number of them in progress on his website up for sale.

Tom

T*O*F · « **Reply #24 on:** December 05, 2012, 11:11:33 PM »

Tommy,
Any idea what finish Doc White used on your gun? I'm currently working on one that almost looks like it was cut from the same tree as yours.

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