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Offline cmac

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Toe plate patchbox
« on: December 28, 2012, 03:46:59 PM »
I know I've seen photos of a toe plate patch box somewhere. I believe it was one of Hershel's rifles. I'm thinking of putting one on a Virginia rifle I'm building. I used the search function and came up with nothing. Anybody have any photos or links?
 
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Offline G-Man

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Re: Toe plate patchbox
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2012, 03:55:24 PM »
cmac there is a well known but not well published Baxter Bean rifle known as the "3-box Bean" that has one - I will send you photos if I can track some down. It has a double banana box and a toeplate box as you are describing.

Hershel has also done a number of these and I will see what else I can find for you.


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Re: Toe plate patchbox
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2012, 10:09:13 PM »
Thanks to those that sent me pictures. It seems as though most are on later rifles. Any reason this would be a "big no" on an Early Virginia. Mounts are brass in case anyone was wondering.

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Re: Toe plate patchbox
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2012, 11:03:33 PM »
The earliest one of these I know of is on a rifle dated 1803.

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Offline J. Talbert

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Re: Toe plate patchbox
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2012, 12:48:24 AM »
Here's one that Hershel made.  Look at the Spears rifle.

http://contemporarymakers.blogspot.com/search?q=hershel+house
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Re: Toe plate patchbox
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2013, 10:33:41 PM »
October Country, Idaho, has a hinged toeplate patchbox assy in their inventory.

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Re: Toe plate patchbox
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2013, 12:18:23 AM »
How about a buttplate patch box. This is from an old French double flintlock shotgun. I do not have a clue what would have been stored inside.       
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Offline Chris Treichel

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Re: Toe plate patchbox
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2013, 05:21:29 PM »
That buttplate one... see how deep it is... may have been for a bayonet.  I have seen several guns that had a compartment for a bayonet for hunting or military purposes. Hunting arms sometimes had bayonets to dispatch game especially for hunting boar.

example: http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/14627/lot/21/
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Re: Toe plate patchbox
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2013, 08:04:11 PM »
I found a photograph of the Bean rifle with a patchbox in the toeplate that I am sending to you by normal email.  Hope it will be of help.
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Offline cmac

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Re: Toe plate patchbox
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2013, 03:33:07 AM »
Thanks to everyone for the comments, links, etc. I made one somewhat like Hershel's. I will post pictures under gun building- 1st pistol and an early Virginia rifle. I have the stock finished and am doing the metal finishing now. Should post soon ;D

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Re: Toe plate patchbox
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2013, 03:37:33 PM »
One of the Louie Parker Hawkens on Contemporary Makers blogspot has a toe plate cap box. Check it out. Beautifully made!

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Re: Toe plate patchbox
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2013, 03:56:54 PM »
Here is one I did a couple years ago on a Tenn rifle..  I saw an original that most of the toeplate hinged that gave me the idea. I didn't do mine that way, as it appeared if hunting & the plate would come unlatched & it caught on something, it could tear the whole toeplate off & possibly damage the toe wood.  So I did mind a lil different.







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Re: Toe plate patchbox
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2013, 01:10:11 AM »
Muzzle Loaders Supply has a nice selection of toe plate patch boxes.

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Re: Toe plate patchbox
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2013, 02:04:16 AM »
Those are neat.  I also think it would be fun to hide the hinge and put the release inside the main box.  As DKL points out, I would be afraid the external release might get caught in brush and dump my stashed treasures. 

One thing I noticed with the H. House Spears rifle is how many TINY knuckles he managed on that narrow lid -- the metal must be pretty thin!  Also, he retained the pin by mashing down the outermost knuckles; once they are filed a little bit, the hinge barely shows in profile.  Very nice touches.