Author Topic: Jaeger rifle (Read 19485 times)

Old Ford2 · « **on:** January 26, 2013, 03:51:00 PM »

I have the wish to build a Jaeger rifle.
I have an L&R roundface lock, the few Jaegers that I have seen, mostly have a banana shaped lock.
What say you on the use of a round face as compaired to a banana shaped lock.
Would it be correct, or just a matter of choice.
I am also a little on the cheap side and don't wish to buy, if I don't have to.
Fred

Michael · « **Reply #1 on:** January 26, 2013, 04:19:41 PM »

It's your rifle so use what you have and make the best of it. Not all origionals had a bananna shaped lock.

Acer Saccharum · « **Reply #2 on:** January 26, 2013, 04:47:52 PM »

Chambers makes a nice jaeger lock, with some curvature in it. So does Davis.

Will this be an American made jaeger, or a European version? If emulating early colonial America, you could certainly go with full European styling and hardware, using sugar maple.

There is almost endless variety in lockplate shape. Of the photos below, one looks like a Siler, or a Davis Colonial American, and another, a Chambers Jaeger lock. Few production roundface locks made today.

James Rogers · « **Reply #3 on:** January 26, 2013, 04:49:40 PM »

Fred,
I am assuming you are just interested in a short barreled rifle. Since you are wanting to use what I am guessing is an English lock, why not make an English rifle. Gary Brumfield posted a short barreled rifle here a couple of years ago that would give you some idea.

http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=10889.0

Acer Saccharum · « **Reply #4 on:** January 26, 2013, 05:01:29 PM »

Why, if you are putting all this time into building a rifle, would you make an English gun? Go German!

http://flintrifles.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/tc-a-006.jpg

Bob Roller · « **Reply #5 on:** January 26, 2013, 05:26:00 PM »

I recall the late John Bivins saying about German guns that no matter
how finely crafted they were,the cloven hoof was always there.

Bob Roller

Acer Saccharum · « **Reply #6 on:** January 26, 2013, 06:01:12 PM »

That's a great saying, Bob, thanks for that.

The goat, the deer, the moose, the cow, all have cloven hooves. So depending on which animal you choose, it's a compliment or a disparagement.

I think that German work, no matter how precise, how intricate or fancy, always showed its country of origin. But that can be said about almost any art or arm, so it comes down to what I prefer. I really like the germanic work. I don't have the same attraction to the English work, though I respect it highly. It doesn't have the same dark side that I am drawn to. Like a moth to a porch light.

Bob Roller · « **Reply #7 on:** January 26, 2013, 06:14:17 PM »

What came out of Germany in the 1860's that had the elegance of a Rigby
or Alex Henry,not to mention the performance at long distances. It IS a
matter of preferences for sure.Maybe someone can give a time line on how
many "Southern",fence post plain flintlock but decent quality rifles can be built in the length of time it
takes to build one of these Germanic rifles or an extemely carved American rifle.

Bob Roller

Ron Scott · « **Reply #8 on:** January 26, 2013, 06:41:59 PM »

Jim Chambers has a new round Face Jaeger Lock that we used for the Blunderbuss class that I taught in Bowling Green last June. It is extremely authentic. If you are into assembling your own locks from casting, I have five different Jaeger Locks sets cast from original parts. some of the locks have matching mounts.

James Rogers · « **Reply #9 on:** January 26, 2013, 06:59:48 PM »

Quote from: Acer Saccharum on January 26, 2013, 05:01:29 PM

Why, if you are putting all this time into building a rifle, would you make an English gun? Go German!

http://flintrifles.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/tc-a-006.jpg

Well sugar, mainly because he wants to use his English lock.
Also, since all is coming from the French, the English influence seem to add a clean refinement instead of a cloddy brogue.

Hey maybe something Turkish??

Seriously, why not a short American piece where the German trained builder was exposed to English imported locks? Very popular now.

Old Ford2 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 26, 2013, 08:54:48 PM »

Seriously, why not a short American piece where the German trained builder was exposed to English imported locks? Very popular now.
This idea I like, and very doable.
You guys are great.
Thank you all for your thoughts and ideas.
I'll be back for more help.
All the best!
Fred

Acer Saccharum · « **Reply #11 on:** January 26, 2013, 10:05:27 PM »

Quote from: James Rogers on January 26, 2013, 06:59:48 PM

Well sugar, .....

James, I believe the trout has taken the bait.....

Hahahahaha.

SuperCracker · « **Reply #12 on:** January 27, 2013, 03:57:23 AM »

Quote from: Bob Roller on January 26, 2013, 06:14:17 PM

What came out of Germany in the 1860's that had the elegance of a Rigby
or Alex Henry

I don't know. They were making some nice stuff, it just has a different flavor. They just didn't seem to survive like the English guns. You can't discount the weird, oddball appeal of the Schuetzen rifles either.

rich pierce · « **Reply #13 on:** January 27, 2013, 04:57:09 AM »

Lets start a new topic if the discussion is going to be late percussion rifles from England versus Germany.

Bob Roller · « **Reply #14 on:** January 27, 2013, 04:38:40 PM »

Those two are certainly nice rifles and English lines tend to
subdue some of the "all over the thing checkering".
I,ve made a number of these locks in years past and might
make a few again.

Bob Roller

Feltwad · « **Reply #15 on:** January 27, 2013, 05:21:45 PM »

Quote from: Acer Saccharum

I really like the germanic work. I don't have the same attraction to the English work, though I respect it highly. It doesn't have the same dark side that I am drawn to. Like a moth to a porch light.

Has a true English patriot English gun making is the best in both stile and performance this dates from the flintlock era to the present day.
Feltwad

Acer Saccharum · « **Reply #16 on:** January 27, 2013, 07:06:31 PM »

I didn't say I thought Germanic was the best work, I just love it. I love the buxom quality, the Teutonic flavor, the mechanical prowess that the Germans bring to firearms. Stylistically, the German work is from a different culture than the English, and so it's hard to compare the two.

It's just my personal preference.

Kermit · « **Reply #17 on:** January 27, 2013, 09:22:33 PM »

Ron--I don't see a "round-faced Jaeger" lock on Jim Chambers' site. Too new? How can one see one? $:-\$

Captchee · « **Reply #18 on:** January 28, 2013, 03:12:29 PM »

I would agree with Rich .
But if we are to stay with Early Jaeger rifles then we should realize that Jaeger doesn’t mean German made . In fact Jaeger rifles as we commonly know them in the context of this forum , were in fact made in France , Switzerland, Italy , Spain and even Russia .
Thus while having rather specific lines , they do differ .
Take the STÖCKEL Jaeger .
Flat faced lock with little to no curve at all .
Here is a link to that rifle

http://www.littlegun.info/arme%20russe/a%20schumann%20gb.htm

or we could also go with the the " Ioseph Iunk-Junk" Jaeger which as a round lock but no curve at all
minus some pan details , very close to what L&R calls a Queen Ann lock

heinz · « **Reply #19 on:** January 28, 2013, 03:57:01 PM »

Captchee. Do you have more photos of the Iunk Jaeger or a link to a site where it appears. I have a similar Jaeger that is unsigned.

Captchee · « **Reply #20 on:** January 28, 2013, 05:57:33 PM »

here is a link . scroll down alittle and you will see more photos
http://www.littlegun.info/arme%20tchecoslovaque/ancien%20artisan/a%20junk%20gb.htm

Ron Scott · « **Reply #21 on:** January 29, 2013, 05:48:21 PM »

Kermit,

The Jaeger Lock is new. You might call Chambers to see what the availability is.

Chris Treichel · « **Reply #22 on:** January 29, 2013, 10:07:19 PM »

Something that perplexes me a bit is that almost all the "Jaeger" parts out there are based arround the acanthus leaf pattern... many but not all are like that...

To be more specific... allmost all the parts that can be found here in the US seem to show only one type of Jaeger rifle... big trigger guard and accanthus leaf buttplate...

Acer Saccharum · « **Reply #23 on:** January 30, 2013, 01:00:36 AM »

We're a bit jaeger-challenged on this side of the pond.

However, with some scrounging and searching you can find parts. Ron Scott sometimes has jaeger parts of various designs, as does the The Rifle Shoppe, or Blackley's of the UK(who have been to the baltimore gun show).

You can sometimes have good luck by posting a 'jaeger parts wanted' in the classified section.

SuperCracker · « **Reply #24 on:** January 30, 2013, 04:31:29 AM »

Quote from: Chris Treichel on January 29, 2013, 10:07:19 PM

Something that perplexes me a bit is that almost all the "Jaeger" parts out there are based arround the acanthus leaf pattern... many but allmost all the parts that can be found here in the US seem to show only one type of Jaeger rifle... big trigger guard and accanthus leaf buttplate...

I've noticed that too. To me, it seems like most of the parts available readily here and rifles built here seem to represent only the early to mid 18th century. The Jaeger rifles from later on, including the early 19th century, had a whole different feel about them but still with a thick German flavor. Combo Horn/Metal trigger guards, better and more ornate checkering, the occasional horn buttplate and what appear to be English locks. If you get into the Percussion era there were some really really amazing guns being turned out.

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