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Jacob Ruslin On Antique Guns
« on: February 12, 2013, 11:19:06 PM »
For those who might have an interest there is a Jacob Ruslin flintlock, a Bedford County gunsmith, on the Antiqueguns.com website for sale that ends the 14th.

The specific site is: http://www.antiqueguns.com/auction/item.cgi?robles/robles-44639

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Re: Jacob Ruslin On Antique Guns
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2013, 02:16:52 AM »
The stock looks to me to be by the Dunmeyers (Dormayers).  It is typical of their Somerset rifles.  The stock profile is typical Somerset Dunmeyer as is the incised carving.  The double thin incised lines extending  on each side of the forward part of the stock is seen on nearly all of their rifles as is the ending pattern of those lines.  Obvioisly it was not originally flintlock.  The barrel may have been by Ruslin (Ruslig?).  The Dunmeyers weren't above using up surplus parts but I doubt very seriously that they had anything to do with that flint lock or its installation.  The stock is really nice.  To bad the patch box door photo does not give us a clear picture of the engraving.  Thanks for calling our attention to that rifle.

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Re: Jacob Ruslin On Antique Guns
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2013, 06:40:36 AM »
I dont know but the curl looks to be Faux especially the shot from the toe plate. it is too regular and not flowing around the corners of the  toe flat. did they do that in bedford CO like the Leaman folks in Lancaster.
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Re: Jacob Ruslin On Antique Guns
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2013, 06:37:28 PM »
I dont know but the curl looks to be Faux especially the shot from the toe plate. it is too regular and not flowing around the corners of the  toe flat. did they do that in bedford CO like the Leaman folks in Lancaster.
I agree, looks like it has had "Candy Stripes" added...

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Re: Jacob Ruslin On Antique Guns
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2013, 07:14:47 PM »
Frizzen looks like an ill fitting replacement.  Interesting piece nonetheless.

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Re: Jacob Ruslin On Antique Guns
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2013, 08:01:45 PM »
 So, do we know for sure if this is a Bedford, or a Somerset, rifle? I don't know enough about the differences to make a call.


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Re: Jacob Ruslin On Antique Guns
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2013, 08:33:45 PM »
Whatever it is it's beautiful....Tom

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Re: Jacob Ruslin On Antique Guns
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2013, 12:11:04 AM »
The only part of the rifle that is Ruslin (Ruslig? who I guess is counted as Bedford) is probably the barrel.  The lock of course is British.  The lock bolt plate was probably replaced when the rifle was restored and/or the flint lock was put on.  The rest of the rifle is obviously Dunmeyer Somerset.  I would like to see a clear picture of the patchbox lid to bolster that statement.  Most of the classic Dunmeyer Somerset rifles had barrels that were in the neighborhood of 36 inches.  It has been stated that the Ruslin barrel was shortened at the breach and was now 37 inches.  The stock length has never been altered.  The two lines on each side of the Dunmeyer stock come to an end before the brass trim at the front end of the stock.  If a Dunmeyer stock has been shortened those lines will be covered by the front brass.

Peter Dunmeyer moved to Somerset just prior to 1840.  Jonathan was about 12 years old when they moved.  For several years after the move Peter experimented with different trim, stock profiles, etc., never straying too far from the Bedford influence.  As Jonathan became older and more involved the family transitioned Peter's Bedford rifle style into the Dunmeyer Somerset rifle (I'm guessing mid to late 1840s).  That rifle differed from the Bedfords in that it eliminated any rise in the comb area and most often was much shorter using a barrel length of about 36 inches, though longer barrel lengths could be ordered.  The carving was the same style that Peter used on his Bedford rifles but was incised instead of relief.  The engraving on the patch box lid  on most of their Somerset rifles remained similar to that seen on Peter's Bedford rifles.  The rifle butt was narrower top to bottom, and the patch box lid was held shut by a spring rather than by the button operated latch that was on Peter's Bedford rifles.  I have never seen a Dunmeyer rifle (Bedford or Somerset) that was not originally percussion.  Since Peter was involved in building rifles in the 1830s it is possible that one may eventually show up.

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Re: Jacob Ruslin On Antique Guns
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2013, 12:35:04 AM »
Compliments of Jim Whisker

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Jacob Ruslin/ Rusily was deidedly not a gunsmith; he was a sheep farmer. Some years ago, as part of my Bedford Co., PA, archives series I had Closson publish the Church Records of St. Thomas the Apostle Roman Catholic Church of Bedford, PA. Rusily had his children baptized rather regularly there and there are other Rusily notations in said records. The gun shown in the 1st color book, The KY Rifle [Mondadori] was made by Spangler in Somerset County. So was the well known double barrel w/ mule ear locks. As already suggested, this gun noted is almost certainly the work of Jonathan [or possibly Peter] Dunmyer. Rusily evidently had this preference to have his name on the barrels, not the maker. Incidebtally, I have no use whatsoever for that "Dormyer" thesis and the sheer nonsense in that pamphlet. Among other lunacies it attributes the John Altfather {Somerset} gun to John Amos {Bedford}. James B. Whisker

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Re: Jacob Ruslin On Antique Guns
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2013, 05:52:06 AM »
I am pleased that Jim Whisker also believes the majority of that rifle was done by one of the "Dunmyers".  I was also glad to get that information on Ruslin.

It is diffacult to write about anybody and not use their correct name.  As Jim well knows it is just as diffacult to find information about people whose correct name has not been known.  For that reason I tried in the booklet to clear the Dormayer name up a bit.  I also gave a justification for the use of Dunmeyer (in any of its many forms) even though Dormayer was the name Peter and Jonathan were born and died with.  The real diffaculty is which of the many spellings of Dunmyer do I use since none of them are correct. During his lifetime in the U.S. census from 1810 - 1870 Peter's name was spelled five different ways; correctly only once.  In the census from 1850 -1880 Jonathan's name was spelled three different ways: never correct.

I would like to point out that I never attributed the "Altfather" rifle to John Amos.  I noted that the lock on the "Altfather" rifle was similar to the lock on a John Amos rifle on page 50 of Whisker's book.  I also noted that the lock on page 50 was not typical of an Amos lock.  There is no way that I would consider the J A on the Altfather lock to be similar to the J A on the Amos locks.

In the booklet I compared the "Altfather" rifle to rifles made by the Dormayers who were known Gunsmiths with many rifles to their credit.
The end result was that with the information that was available if an attribution  had to be made, the Dormayers appeared to be a better choice than Altfather.  I am a logical person and some solid evidence on Altfather's behalf might change my mind.  From what I can gather Altfather apprenticed as a miller and later became a dedicated agriculturalist.  
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