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Offline T*O*F

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English LRML
« on: March 01, 2013, 11:21:23 PM »
This is a long range Rigby rifle that I finished building recently.  Engraving by Tim Halloran of Iowa and color casing by Classic in Beecher, IL.  Sight base made by Lee Shaver to mount MVA sights.






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Re: English LRML
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2013, 11:45:42 PM »
Oh, geeze, Dave, that is just lovely.

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Re: English LRML
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2013, 11:52:15 PM »
Dave,that is my idea of a muzzle loader.These combine classic styling with more performance than is
ever really needed but it would be a dull world if we on had what we "needed". Good job.

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Re: English LRML
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2013, 01:45:05 AM »
I bet that rifle is gonna SHOOT Dave. Nice lines and great workmanship. what caliber, type of barrel and rifling? Please post a range report when you get a chance to put it through its paces. Well done!

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Re: English LRML
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2013, 06:47:33 PM »
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what caliber, type of barrel and rifling?


Many consider these guns the apex predators of the ML world.  They must perform at ranges from 500 to 1000+ yards with a standard deviation of less than 10 fps.  They are fairly standardized at .451 cal, 18 twist and weigh 10 lbs or less.  They shoot a paper patched bullet generally weighing around 540 grains.

The barrel started as a 1-1/4" Badger blank.  It, along with the breech and tang, were hand machined to its present profile.  Buttplate is handmade.  Lock is a re-profiled Davis.  Trigger plate needed a new extension to properly located both screws that are required.




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Please post a range report

Not my gun.  You'll have to watch Oak Ridge and Friendship results for its success.
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Re: English LRML
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2013, 06:48:16 PM »
Hard  guns to do right. You did a great job with this one.
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Re: English LRML
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2013, 07:41:55 PM »
VERY nice rifle T.O.F -- not much more I can say - words escape me ;)!
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Re: English LRML
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2013, 09:27:52 PM »
Very very nicely done Dave.  There's no flies on your watermelon, and that's for certain.
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Re: English LRML
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2013, 05:01:18 PM »
Dave,

She turned out beautifully.  The hours of hard work and years of experience paid of!  The checkering looks great.  I am confident you could have done the engraving on this one yourself, but the engraver did a great job as well.

Would this happen to be the rifle that you skeletonized the buttplate on?

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Offline T*O*F

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Re: English LRML
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2013, 06:29:53 PM »
Thanks Guys!  I appreciate the positive comments from those who can appreciate these guns.

Curtis, this is not the Skeleton rifle.  It's languishing on the bench since I bought the '80 Catalina which I have started restoring to be my dependable daily driver.  And no, my skill level is not yet up to doing fine English scroll engraving.  It's probably the most difficult style to get right.
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Re: English LRML
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2013, 08:21:12 PM »
Beautiful craftsmanship by you, and everyone involved. Questions on the pack hardening - it is pack hardening?

1. Is lock plate's inner surface hardened?

2. Are internal lock parts hardened?
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Re: English LRML
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2013, 08:56:09 PM »
Napthali
Yes to all.
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Re: English LRML
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2013, 11:11:03 PM »
Quote from: T*O*F on March 03, 2013, 08:56:09 PM
Napthali
Yes to all.
Many thanks for the information. While I don't know warpage occurred, a long thin piece of metal, like a side plate, would seem to be a strong possibility to warp. Chunkier lock work might be less likely to warp, but parts' interrelationship for safe, durable ignition probably leaves less wiggle room for distortion. If warpage did occur from pack hardening, how did you deal with it?
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Re: English LRML
« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2013, 11:58:05 PM »
For long thin parts, such as lock plates, it's important that they enter the bath vertically. If they do a belly flop, you'll certainly have a warped part, as one side cools first, while the other side is still hot.

You can also screw the long parts to a bar, using standoffs to keep the part separate yet rigidly mounted to the supporting plate. The parts still have to hit the water bath vertically.
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Re: English LRML
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2013, 07:52:55 PM »
Acer is right on about the parts hitting the water vertically.  You have to keep careful track of their orientation when you pack them in the crucible and of how you grab the crucible when you dump it.  Parts, like plates, made of 8620 can be straightened if they get a slight warp in them as the core gets tough but not hard.  It's amazing, and very scary,  how far past straight one has to bend them before you can get them to straight when you leave off the pressure.  Of course if you do that with a 4140 plate you get two pieces so you really need to know what they were cast or fabricated from.

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