Trying Old Eynsford

[frontier gander]

Got home yesterday and had 1 1/2 fg and 3fg OE powder waiting for me. Today I set up the video camera and did some recording " Not put together yet".

So far my CVA Hawken with a 32" 1:66 twist .58cal cal Deer Creek barrel really enjoys 110gr OE with a .570" round ball and a .018 pillow tick patch lubed with olive oil and beeswax.

I'll get some pictures here in a bit once I edit the video and take some snap shots.

#1 Huge benefit with Olde Eynsford is no swabbing! Loads ALMOST as smooth as a clean bore in my gun, even after letting it sit for 10 minutes while I reloaded some powder tubes.

My 58 loves heavy charges so after I test out the 3f, I will go back to the 1 1/2f and up it to 120 and see how she does. Its normal load is 120gr 2f Goex.

[frontier gander]

heres the video of my first 3 shots guys. My biggest like is how easy it is on fouling. No need to swab with this set up. If the wind stays down, I can do 100 yards this evening.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqkYTgqHcNE&feature=youtu.be

[frontier gander]

Horrible group at 100 yards! I kept 3 out of 7 shots on the target 

Got home to clean and do a strip down to check things, I found that i could have removed the tang screw with my finger nail, thats how loose it was!  Try again tomorrow.

[Ranch13]

I would suggest that with this Eynsford you drop your charges back 15-20 grs from what you were shooting with regular Goex. This stuff has a lot of zip in it.

[Kermit]

Where are you folks finding OE? Everywhere I look it's out-of-stock and back-ordered. Kinda like .22 RF.

[frontier gander]

Ive tried 100gr but the group wasnt that great. My 58 is a pig when it comes to eating powder.

[Ranch13]

Where are you folks finding OE? Everywhere I look it's out-of-stock and back-ordered. Kinda like .22 RF.

Did you look at Grafs?
I got the first batch from Powder Inc. then with the problems they were having, I got ahold of Bear River Powder in Evanston Wy. and got 10 lbs from him.
Also I believe there is going to be a powder trailer at the Quigley shoot next week at Forsyth Mt, but I don't know if they'll have powder other than what folks pre ordered for delivery.

[Ranch13]

Ive tried 100gr but the group wasnt that great. My 58 is a pig when it comes to eating powder.

Well it may be a powder hog, but this stuff is seriously fast. Look at Herbs velocity data. If you have a chronograph, you might chrono your best load with your regular Goex, and then start dropping the powder charge with OE until you reach that velocity.

[Kermit]

Thanks. Graf & Son now says in stock, and only a buck more than Goex. Wasn't there when I looked a few days ago. I'll be trying it too.

[frontier gander]

110gr OE test. Remember guys, I found my tang screw was big time loose yesterday and so after tightening it up the way it should be, im highly confident my accuracy will be great.

[Ranch13]

I can't say how much difference there is between regular goex and olde e 3f but the 2f olde e is about 5% lighter than a volume charge of regular, and 1.5 runs about 7 % lighter.

[dagner]

 WE USED A STRIKE OFF MESSURE SET AT 100 GRAIN MARK  WITH SWISS 2FF   1O2.5  average - goex 2ff was  around  95 +    - old e was 93.2  

[Kermit]

I'm thinking this ia all a little like kicking tires and checking the paintand upholstery colors, but at aome point actually getting in and driving is more important. I think the size of the grains and what a measured charge weighs is kind of useless showroom discussion. How does it perform?

[Ranch13]

It'll be a touch over a week yet before I can say how the stuff performs in a muzzle loader from personal experience. I do know a friend of mine left his measure set for 55 grs of 2f goex, and with that same measure of Olde e he was getting about 130 fps more velocity in his 54 flintgun.
 In my 44-77 sharps 76 grs of 1.5 behind a 480 gr paper patched bullet is driving at 1307, same bullet and 78 grs of KIK 1.5 is about 1225, and 77 grs of Cartridge does 1180.
 70 grs of 2f old e in a 45-70 has been reported as hurling a 480 gr grease groove bullet at 1380, and 2f Goex will send that same bullet right at 1210.70 grs of the 2 and 1.5 both sail a 535 postel out of a 28 inch barrel  45-70 at 1225 fps.
This stuff is seriously fast, and to keep muzzle velocity the same, and in some cases accuracy,one is going to have to drop powder charges.

[Kermit]

So it sounds like it costs a little more, goes a little farther, shoots a little cleaner, and is a little more consistent. So What's NOT to like? I'm getting some coming.

What grade/granulation do you think for small bore (.32 and smaller) flinters wold be a good choice? Still 3f? Still prime with Goex 4f?

[frontier gander]

WOW! Just fixed up my Traditions Kentucky .50cal Flintlock as I needed a new sight. That 3f Olde Eynsford is FAST. I didnt have to charge my pan once as when i pushed the ball down, the powder is so fine the air pressure blows out just enough to give me darn near instant ignition.

[Ranch13]

That's were I'ld start in the small bores with the 3f. The 2f is about the same kernel size as we're used to with regular Goex 3f.

[Daryl]

WOW! Just fixed up my Traditions Kentucky .50cal Flintlock as I needed a new sight. That 3f Olde Eynsford is FAST. I didnt have to charge my pan once as when i pushed the ball down, the powder is so fine the air pressure blows out just enough to give me darn near instant ignition.

Are you pushing the ball down with the frizzen closed? 

[frontier gander]

Yeah I normally plug the touch hole with a toothpick first. I switched out vent liners and that issue with the powder coming through went away. Never did like that "improved" RMC liner.