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obsidian

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Need help with GPR customize
« on: May 25, 2013, 04:51:07 PM »
Greetings-humble entry from a beginner here!  You guys are a wealth of knowledge and I know a few have been down this path. 
I find myself in a love/hate relationship with a pretty good looking Lyman GPR which was my introduction into flint couple years ago.  Kind of low on $$ so not the time to drop the bucks on a Chambers kit. Plus, need to cut my teeth on this gun I already own that cries out for help.  Recently bench shot in earnest and found a load that hits true so I am resolved to likely replace the lock and dress it up. 
Is it a pipe dream that a GPR can fit a historic context closely enough for an aspiring gun maker to tool it in a particular direction?  As I learn, the fear I have is that sometimes a cheap counterfeit looks pretty good until under the influence of more knowledge and experience it totally looses it's luster.  Mostly I just want something that won't get laughed off the trail at the woods walk.
An example-I really like the look of the F.G. Fisher plains rifle but not the right time period and cap, not rock.  I feel like I'm getting close but just need some design influence.
Sorry to get so windy-I value your input!

Rich

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Re: Need help with GPR customize
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2013, 05:44:56 PM »
Take a look at 'Improving a GPR' by Rusty51 on page 5.

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Re: Need help with GPR customize
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2013, 06:44:35 PM »
Obsidian, I did a thorough remake of a GPR flintlock several years ago, and the link to the work should be somewhere in the archives here.
There are several things about the rifle that can be really improved upon to make it look more authentic.  There is a hump at the breech because the tang needs to be bent immediately at the break-off.  Bending and reshaping the tang, then re-inletting it down into that humb, and then file the wood down to the metal.  While you're filing, remove the bevels off the side of the tang so that it is flat across.
Installing a L & R replacement lock will hugely improve ignition , though I've seen a couple stock locks that functioned pretty well.  The lock panels need to be dressed so that they are narrower along the top and bottom, and shaped up better at each end.  Study pics of original Hawken rifles for inspiration here.
Likewise, the cheek piece should be reshaped and the wood around it cut away to define it.  These rifles are finished on a slack sander, it seems to me, so that no sculpturing of these important areas is done on the factory wood...thus no hand work is required, and production cost is lowered.
Take some of the perch belly out of the bottom of the butt stock; a little goes a long way.  There's more but I'm called to the breakfast table...later.
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Re: Need help with GPR customize
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2013, 07:20:50 PM »
That's better.

The forearm of the rifle is pretty slab sided, and needs to be rounded up to the barrel channel, and below as well.  The escutcheon plates over the slides/wedges are goofy, inlet below the surface of the stock, and set in putty.  Take 'em off, throw them away, and make new ones out of steel or silver.

Remove all of the finish with varnish remover, finish the wood with a pleasing stain, and your favourite finish.  Polish all the steel furniture, and brown it.

That's a pretty quick description of a fairly intensive remake, but it will give you lots of experience and you'll like the rifle better when it's done.  Good luck.
D. Taylor Sapergia
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obsidian

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Re: Need help with GPR customize
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2013, 01:43:01 AM »
Thanks for steering me the right direction.  Just came up from the shop today to respond.  Taylor, you give complete, easy to understand ideas-and I admire the photos you have posted of your work.  My humble thanks to you and Bernard as well. 
Draw filed the writing off the barrel, lowered the tang, now back down to the shop to set the tang into the stock.  E-mailed L & R to bring a lock to Friendship in couple weeks.
Good shooting,
Rich

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Re: Need help with GPR customize
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2013, 11:42:00 PM »
good luck on this project,hope you will show some pictures of your progress,I also think Taylor's instructions are stellar..
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