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Cane Measure
« on: June 26, 2013, 10:54:51 PM »
sqrldog sent me some cane so here is the first measure I have made from it.
 There are so many ways to make one from it but this is my first idea.

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Re: Cane Measure
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2013, 11:44:14 PM »
like it! I have some friends down south hunting for some me, is pretty easy to work with?

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Re: Cane Measure
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2013, 12:15:41 AM »
What I got was good and dry.  It is hard but easy to work.   So many things one could use it for.
 I am going to make one using the natural rib joint as the stopper end instead of a turned one on the lathe. 
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Re: Cane Measure
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2013, 03:55:24 AM »
What kind of cane is it? Is it the old native river cane that was prominent in the old days? I know of only one or two places around here where it still grows.
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Re: Cane Measure
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2013, 04:46:07 AM »
Since it was sent to me from below Montgomery Alabama I am not sure if it is the old timey kind or not.   I live in Southwest, Va and can not find any river cane anywhere.

Maybe sqrldog can answer your question.  Maybe someone else will know as well.
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Re: Cane Measure
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2013, 07:43:18 AM »
The cane I sent Iloco is the native Alabama river cane. It still grows in some of the stream bottoms in this area. I use it to make measures and turkey calls. I'm sure Native Americans had many uses for it. we also have patches of imported Japanese bamboo not sure that would be period correct. Most of our native river cane was destroyed by free range livestock. In places it is still plentiful and is increasing as more land is used for timber prodution. Iloco I like your measure. Tim

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Re: Cane Measure
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2013, 10:22:28 PM »
Here in central Va where I live, we are in a constant battle with the stuff trying to keep it from taking over our yard.  That stuff grows unbelievably  fast.  We also have two different species of a larger bamboo around here as well.
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Re: Cane Measure
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2013, 02:19:26 AM »
Here in central Va where I live, we are in a constant battle with the stuff trying to keep it from taking over our yard.  That stuff grows unbelievably  fast.  We also have two different species of a larger bamboo around here as well.

The native cane is not the same as bamboo. As I understand it the native cane is smooth on the outside where the joint is, unlike bamboo which has a bump at the joint.

I had, may still have, a measure made from native cane and its a smooth as can be on the outside, even over the joint.
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Re: Cane Measure
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2013, 02:16:14 PM »
The joint is visiable in all the cane I received from Alabama.   It is different than bamboo with the shaft between joints being round and not like bamboo that has an indention in the stalk.
 From the image on google if you do a search it shows a joint in the river cane.  I have been looking for some here in Southwest, Va but am having no luck in finding any cane.
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Re: Cane Measure
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2013, 04:57:29 PM »
I have harvested some cane in Kentucky. At least that is what I think it is. The stuff I have got in the past doesn't seem to grow that fast. I've been watching it since 2005 and it hasn't really increased in size that much. Unless others are cutting it also and I just don't ever see them. My dad used to cut it for fishing pole's when he was kid in the fifties. He told me that the stuff I have cut looks like river cane the best he can remember. You can see the joint's but it does not look like the bamboo that is in one of the buildings I work in daily.

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Re: Cane Measure
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2013, 07:34:15 PM »
I don't know how many species of bamboo/cane (same thing) that are native to the states but it has to be several, I would think.  This is based on the various descriptions I've read.  To my knowledge, which is meager, there's no giant bamboo native to the mainland.  The cane growing around my home looks like a cross between Johnson grass and some kind of cane, less than 1" dia .   Of course it is cane and great for projects where Johnson grass would not be.  Still, the leaves are different and the cane a bit smaller than what I remember growing around streams back in the 1950s.  That stuff wasn't giant but was large enough to make good, strong fishing poles.  Cane/bamboo IS a grass, after all.
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Re: Cane Measure
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2013, 10:05:02 PM »
I am using the pith in the joint as the bottom of the measure as seen in this picture.
 You can see the joint ring in this picture.

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Re: Cane Measure
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2013, 12:13:13 AM »
  Now that's the way I like cane measures. Plain and simple. More like what was probably done originally.

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Re: Cane Measure
« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2013, 01:41:10 AM »
Good idea; I'll try that.
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Re: Cane Measure
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2013, 03:05:54 PM »
I dripped a little hot beeswax onto the pith to kind of reenforce it a little.
 As tough as the cane is these measures should last a very long time. 
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Re: Cane Measure
« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2013, 06:44:39 PM »
For my next project I'm thinking of a "shot horn" made from bamboo.  I have plenty of various sizes of bamboo and it would certainly be unusual.
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Re: Cane Measure
« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2014, 10:35:08 PM »
Here in central Va where I live, we are in a constant battle with the stuff trying to keep it from taking over our yard.  That stuff grows unbelievably  fast.  We also have two different species of a larger bamboo around here as well.

The native cane is not the same as bamboo. As I understand it the native cane is smooth on the outside where the joint is, unlike bamboo which has a bump at the joint.

I had, may still have, a measure made from native cane and its a smooth as can be on the outside, even over the joint.
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You are right Dennis.  While riding around a few days ago I finally ran across some River Cane on the South Fork of the Holston Rivers.  It was near Damascus Va.  That stuff sure grows thick.   
 I went back today and cut me a few stalks to let dry to make some measures.  It is more round and smooth at the joints than Bamboo.   I cut me a couple for cane fishing poles.
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Re: Cane Measure
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2014, 05:23:55 AM »
River cane is very common here in the Mississippi Delta. We use it for fishing poles, bean stakes in the garden, etc. When I worked on the Choctaw Indian Reservation, one reknowned Choctaw basketmaker drove all the way here from Philadelphia, MS (125 miles one way) to harvest a supply here on the homeplace and at a neighbors. They make beautiful baskets from the split cane. They harvest it and split it with a common butcher knife. They use Rit dye for their colors, and weave the splits wet. Tradiional archers make cane arrows with hardwood inserts. These are the same arrows that would penetrate the chain mail of Hernando DeSoto's men. I have seen quick reloaders for muzzleloaders made from them using cork stoppers. Select one large enough for the correct ball, add premeasured powder, patch, and ball, then cork. Some flame burn the cane to highlight/harden it, then put matt finish poly on it. Some cut the cane at an angle, leaving a lobe to drill a hole in to attach a cord (for powder measures). I have seen it done at the node end (bottom) as well as the top open end.

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Re: Cane Measure
« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2014, 02:27:08 AM »
 Well, I for one would like too see some pictures all I get is a square blank, with this picture has been moved or deleted written on it.

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Re: Cane Measure
« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2014, 08:04:56 PM »
Well, I for one would like too see some pictures all I get is a square blank, with this picture has been moved or deleted written on it.

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Re: Cane Measure
« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2014, 09:12:14 PM »
  Here's a couple of shots. I kept mine simple. It holds 80gr ffg.




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Re: Cane Measure
« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2014, 06:14:19 PM »
If you  plug the open end of a larger diameter river cane with a simple wooden plug and then a small prime horn plug, you can then make a  nice cane  pan primer for your pouch to match your cane measure.  The fresh cut green river cane, here in Kentucky, needs about  six months inside a house to dry out for working. Largest I have found in remote places is roughly 1/2" I.D.    Lon 

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Re: Cane Measure
« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2014, 09:45:52 PM »
With undergraduate work in forestry and masters work in botany I became very interested in the various bamboo (cane) species I encountered.  A few yards from my house is a small grove of large bamboo composed of two different species.  They look the same unless the stem, itself, is examined.  I cut them and use them - especially for large accoutrements - and use the smaller river cane bamboo in my back yard for things such as powder measures, etc.  My current project is to make a musical instrument to be played with a wand that strikes each note.  I'm also making a flute out of a nice piece of bamboo.  I even have a couple of "shot uh...snakes?" made from the stuff.  Talk about versatile!
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Re: Cane Measure
« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2014, 08:31:54 PM »
I only know of one place locally (Kanawha River valley) native river cane still grows. My cousin has tried to reintroduce it along the creek bottoms on his farm with some success. It doesn't grow nearly as fast as bamboo, which is probably why it hasn't survived most places. I had a piece in my office but can't find it now. As I remember Dennis, it was fairly smooth and I don't remember seeing any real large pieces. The patch I know of was not large but fairly thick and as I remember maybe a little taller than head high?
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