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Offline okawbow

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$200.00 fowler build
« on: July 20, 2013, 09:39:09 PM »
Had a few parts lying around, such as a walnut half stock, a brass butt plate, single trigger, and materials to make thimbles and a trigger plate. I decided to try and make a turkey/waterfowl gun for under $200 more in cash outlay. Bought a $30.00 12ga round tapered 30" barrel from a forum member. Also got a flintlock from "The Hawken Shop" for $102.00. I'll need to get a barrel rib, lower thimble, and trigger guard for under $68.00 to meet my goal.

The lock was a pleasant surprise. It is fitted and polished and smooth as butter! Sparks great. Has a roller on the frizzen, and a fly on the tumbler. A very well made lock for that price. The only thing I will do to it, is stone the bottom of the frizzen and the top edge of the pan to get a little better fit. It is ok now, but I can see a little light between the pan and frizzen when closed.


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I'll probably do a poured tin nose cap. What kind of side plate would look right?

Ant other suggestions?
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Re: $200.00 fowler build
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2013, 10:42:27 PM »
    You have a nice looking peace of wood, why hide it with a sideplate? Use brass washers that is about an 1/8in. larger than the lock bolts head. 8)    Alan
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Re: $200.00 fowler build
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2013, 05:51:36 AM »
I agree, no sideplate. I'd forget the ramrod entry pipe, and go for a wood underrib. Why not a simple sheet brass trigger guard? If you didn't already have a buttplate, just toe and heel plates and maybe checker the butt...
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Re: $200.00 fowler build
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2013, 07:04:59 AM »
How is a wooden rib attached to a thin round barrel? Lugs soldered on?

I have a nice cast brass butt plate I bought at a yard sale for $5.00. I feel I should use a matching trigger guard. I saw one on the R. E. Davis site that looks like a good fit for under $10.00.
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Re: $200.00 fowler build
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2013, 06:29:27 PM »
 Underlugs for wooden under ribs, are usually attached to thin, folded metal, lugs, that are soldered to the under side of the barrel. I have seen more of these on half stocked squirrel rifles than fowlers, and , these were usually dovetailed, instead of soldered.  I am sure they were used on fowlers as well. this was a method of making, and using, an under rib when the machine tools, and the means of successfully completing a large sweat soldered joint weren't possible. Often fullstocks with broken forearms were made into half stocks by utilizing the existing barrel lugs, and replacing the forearm with a wooden rib.

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Re: $200.00 fowler build
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2013, 06:53:53 PM »
Chuck, Likely some of that osage orange you have lying around would make a good solid underrib. ;)  Enjoy, J.D.
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Re: $200.00 fowler build
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2013, 07:42:50 PM »
I was wondering if hickory was used as a rib? I would think walnut might be a little weak.

Osage would sure be strong, but might look out of place.
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Re: $200.00 fowler build
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2013, 09:27:10 PM »
I have done a few wooden underribs, usually using the same wood as the stock. Depending on the barrel, I either dove tail or solder studs to the barrel every three inches and pin the rib to them. I have never used Osage for this but have made many bows from this wood. It is very tough and without any staining will, turn a beautiful aged bronze color when exposed to the sun.
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Re: $200.00 fowler build
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2013, 09:36:09 PM »
The walnut would look best, I suppose. Would sure be easier to shape. Every 3" is a lot of pins.
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Re: $200.00 fowler build
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2013, 11:12:14 PM »
A nice dense piece of wood would be good. Apple, pear, sugar maple.

Exotics like rosewood, ebony and pernambuco would be nice, but not H.C. Also might push the $ limit up too much.
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Re: $200.00 fowler build
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2013, 11:43:42 PM »
I actually have a suitable piece of ebony left over from a cello build. However; I'd like to use parts that were used by gunsmiths in the 1820's for actual fowlers built then. I also have some nice, dark persimmon wood. It was certainly available then.
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Re: $200.00 fowler build
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2013, 02:40:06 AM »
I'd skip the under rib and just solder a pipe to the barrel.  Skip the buttplate too. That's how I'd make my own hunting gun.....
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Re: $200.00 fowler build
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2013, 07:32:20 PM »
Quote from: Mike Brooks on July 22, 2013, 02:40:06 AM
I'd skip the under rib and just solder a pipe to the barrel.  Skip the buttplate too. That's how I'd make my own hunting gun.....

Yes, do it German or French style and skip the rib altogether.
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Re: $200.00 fowler build
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2013, 09:53:10 PM »
Any pictures of fowlers built like that?
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Re: $200.00 fowler build
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2013, 02:49:46 AM »
Started on the gun this past week. I inlet the barrel and tang by hand, narrowed the stock blank, and inlet the lock plate.


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Re: $200.00 fowler build
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2013, 04:15:59 PM »
Quote from: okawbow on July 22, 2013, 09:53:10 PM
Any pictures of fowlers built like that?



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Re: $200.00 fowler build
« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2013, 02:19:27 AM »
Looks like yiu have all the bones for a fine halfstock.  If you spring for a metal under-rib, I'll give you a good piece of water buff horn to make a proper fore end tip.  go for the English look!
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Re: $200.00 fowler build
« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2013, 02:32:33 AM »
I like the looks of the top picture for the rod thimbles. My barrel is only 30", so I would use 2  instead of three. I also like the idea of a steel ramrod. Where was that gun made?

Thanks much for the buff horn offer Ed. I may take you up on that. I also have some ebony that would look good.
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« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2013, 04:19:26 AM »
Horn is HC.
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Re: $200.00 fowler build
« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2013, 04:43:30 AM »
I've been working quite a bit on the gun lately. And, while I realize it is not a longrifle; I thought some would be interested in my progress. I'm kind of building it like I think a riflesmith might have built a fowler, if he'd not seen too many.

I still need to pour or make a nosecap. I proofed the barrel already with over 200 grains 2f, and a double shot charge. I'm still under $200.00 so far, but very close. The gun weighs 5#5oz so far.


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Re: $200.00 fowler build
« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2013, 04:51:30 AM »
A rite fine lookin job so far okabow.The single pipe on the barrel has a nice look,and the overall shape and layout looks good ,too.I kije to do budget restrained projects,too.Tends to give one the motivation to make our own parts when possible.Keep us up to date.Best regards,Dave
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Re: $200.00 fowler build
« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2013, 06:11:10 PM »

I've started the finishing process, with a couple coats of linseed oil thinned with turpentine, and a few drops of Epiphanes oil varnish added. I'll do many more coats before it's done. The barrel and lock will be polished and either left bright or ? I'm open to suggestions about what would look good.

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« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2013, 07:37:16 PM »
I really like it, you have done a very nice job. I would have gone for a pin in the fore stock just because the "key" looks more modern to my eye. But hey, that's just me.
 Why not go for a cold blue? You could blue the lock and barrel with cold blue, then go back over it lightly with fine steel wool to give it that old gun metal gray look. That bright finish is hard to maintain especially if you are going to be hunting with it in any kind of weather.
 Whatever you do I must say again that I really like it. Thanks for sharing it.
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Re: $200.00 fowler build
« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2013, 08:03:42 PM »
That is one sweet little 12 okawbow,  Strange how some people so far apart can think along the same lines.  Here's yours little sister, 28 bore X 36" Christian bbl. walnut 1/2 stock, going to have a Chambers little Qn. Anne lock    Tom


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Re: $200.00 fowler build
« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2013, 08:48:41 PM »
Should be a dandy. Can't wait to get after some doves with mine.

Chuck
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