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.024" commercial precut / prelubed shooting patches ?
« on: August 02, 2013, 03:27:44 PM »
Personal choice, except for a couple of occasional unique needs, I've always used commercial precut / prelubed patches...either patches under the T/C label (which are made by OxYoke) or the OxYoke label itself.

My current Flintlock barrels have deep .016" round bottom grooves, making the bore space more roomy and I had to bump up from my normal .018" patches to .020-.022". The good news is I had a huge inventory of patches, and a lot of the bags actually measured .022"-.024"...instead of the .018-.020" that their bags were labeled, life was good.

I'll be running out of those accidentally thicker patches before long so I'll need to re-supply. I'm specifically interested in .024" patches for my .45cal because I also have a couple thousand .440" Hornady balls on hand from a place going out of business years ago and that size ball in the roomy round bottom barrel really needs a .024" thick patch.

But a few Google searches so far haven't turned up a commercial supplier who makes .024" precut / prelubed patches...ie: OxYoke seems to stop at .020".
Does anyone know of a commercial supplier who makes thicker patches than OxYoke?
« Last Edit: August 02, 2013, 03:30:28 PM by roundball »

Offline Bob Roller

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Re: .024" commercial precut / prelubed shooting patches ?
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2013, 04:11:04 PM »
Try sail cloth.Bill Large used it and canvas on some of his personal guns.

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Re: .024" commercial precut / prelubed shooting patches ?
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2013, 04:29:25 PM »
 Ask for mattress ticking, at the fabric store. Its just like pillow ticking only thicker. Its usually at least .020, and I have seen some that is .028, and could be anywhere in between. Commercial restaurant linen napkins are thick, and have a high thread count as well.

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Re: .024" commercial precut / prelubed shooting patches ?
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2013, 04:47:26 PM »
Go to Hobby Lobby locally; fabric section.......10oz blue Denum......they have 8 oz as well....both 100% cotton.  Will fit your needs perfectly.  Cheap by the yard!

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Re: .024" commercial precut / prelubed shooting patches ?
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2013, 04:58:51 PM »
Try sail cloth.Bill Large used it and canvas on some of his personal guns.

Bob Roller

Yep! I would say that Bill Large used sail cloth or canvas because I have a couple of his barrels and that's what I use. Because the rifling is so deep you need something that thick to fill up the grooves. But when you do they shoot fantastic and I would not trade either of them for any other barrel that I have seen.

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Re: .024" commercial precut / prelubed shooting patches ?
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2013, 07:48:48 PM »
I have seen some of Bill's barrels that were rifled so deep they looked like splines.
On the other hand,what else is rifling but a spiraled spline?
Some of this I am certain was the fact that toward the end of his barrel making he
would get preoccupied with something or other at the bench and the Pratt&Whitney
rifling machine would keep on running and the grooves got deeper and deeper.
Same with the planer.More than once I have walked into the shop and reset the planer
which had long finished the cut it was doing.

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Re: .024" commercial precut / prelubed shooting patches ?
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2013, 07:50:23 PM »
Good answers, all. But he's specifically looking for precut patches in little plastic bags, just like the mountain men traded their plews for at rondys. ;)
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« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2013, 10:30:48 PM »
"...he's specifically looking for precut patches..."

Ding! Ding! Ding!     And we have a winner...LOL

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Re: .024" commercial precut / prelubed shooting patches ?
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2013, 11:46:59 PM »
get a punch and cut your own... or just precut them rough round with scissors-- or leave them square. I do that and it works fine. I have used wore out denim jean legs for thick patching.

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Re: .024" commercial precut / prelubed shooting patches ?
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2013, 08:16:53 PM »

"... .024" precut / prelubed patches..."


Haven't turned up any sources, although I actually got an Email reply from Robert Rightnour himself (OxYoke) who confirmed that .020" is the largest they normally plan for, although from time to time there will be a run of material that might produce some volume of patches a few thousandth's thicker, like I experienced.

Meanwhile, I had just enough .025" cotton duck left over from a previous project to cut and lube 500 - 1+3/8" square patches.  Excellent snug fit in the .45cal x .016" round bottom barrel, pulling them back out shows good patch weave marks in the ball, etc...should get me through year end with hunting season shutting off weekly range trips the last couple months.

But if I can't find a commercial source, with the on hand inventory of .010" under bore size balls I have  in a few calibers that now all have deep round bottom grooves, I'm going to have to buy / wash / dry enough extra material to cut & lube another few thousand patches.

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Re: .024" commercial precut / prelubed shooting patches ?
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2013, 10:38:29 PM »
 The easiest way to cut loads of patches in a hurry, is to take a cheap hole saw the right diameter, and grind all the teeth off, and then sharpen the outside edge, with, first a fine file, and then a stone. Chuck up the saw in a drill press, or just use a powerful corded drill. Next, fold the material until you have a stack the fills the hole saw, and bore away. You will come out with a nice stack of pre-cut patches. You can go through a couple of yards of material in no time.

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« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2013, 11:09:24 PM »
I've seen that approach mentioned a lot over the years...always surprises me that SOME company (or 'cottage industry') hasn't surfaced by now to provide that sort of a service.
ie: cut me 3000 .018" x 1+1/8"...or 3000 .024" x 1&3/8", etc.
I guess the volume of business just isn't there or some place like TOW would have jumped on it by now or know somebody who was set up for it.

When I cut my own in the past, I used a cutting mat and rotary cutter (like a pizza cutter)...like I use to cut up old T-shirts or the wife's old flannel PJs to make cleaning patches.  Doing these 500 have me back in the groove a little, so I suspect I'll just go ahead and get a few more yards of cotton duck from my local JoAnn's Fabrics and just start chipping away at the quantity, maybe 500 at a clip.

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Re: .024" commercial precut / prelubed shooting patches ?
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2013, 02:27:15 AM »
 Simple, not enough lazy people to keep them in business.

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« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2013, 03:21:45 AM »
or leave them square. I do that and it works fine.
Agree, never saw a downside to square patches...all that I've made have always been that way...these are the 500 I just finished this morning...lubed, bagged, and ready for the range:

« Last Edit: August 05, 2013, 03:24:54 AM by roundball »

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Re: .024" commercial precut / prelubed shooting patches ?
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2013, 04:32:54 AM »
All OxYoke patches I've measured come out .005" thinner than their listing, by my measuring methods.
« Last Edit: August 05, 2013, 04:33:23 AM by Daryl »
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« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2013, 10:28:09 PM »
or leave them square. I do that and it works fine.
Agree, never saw a downside to square patches...all that I've made have always been that way...these are the 500 I just finished this morning...lubed, bagged, and ready for the range:

08/05/13-Tested homemade square .025” x 1+3/8” cotton duck patches.
They “fit” fine, however:
At 110grns some patches shredded;
At 100grns a couple patches barely tried to start shredding;
At 90grns the patches were normal
NOTE:  Interestingly, the 110grn load was the most / extremely accurate.
I’ll try more lube next trip...and it may be the cotton duck is just not be strong enough material for high powder charges but it'll be fine for any / all other normal shooting I do.

Picked up 3 yards of .025” blue & white mattress ticking at Jo-Ann Fabric today...washing & drying it now...will cut / lube enough for a range test and if it's right, go back and buy the rest of the bolt while I know its available.

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« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2013, 04:03:28 PM »
Quote
Picked up 3 yards of .025” blue & white mattress ticking at Jo-Ann Fabric today...washing & drying it now.

Ironed it flat and it was tighter / thicker as I suspected it would be, now measuring .028".
Cut / lubed a few, seated a couple in the shop...absolutely perfect.
Will pick up the rest of that bolt of ticking today.
« Last Edit: August 06, 2013, 04:04:16 PM by roundball »

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Re: .024" commercial precut / prelubed shooting patches ?
« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2013, 04:55:06 PM »
RB,
Sounds like it should do the trick.  Another thing to look for is: Joann's here had 100% cotton 10 oz. unbleached bull denim on sale 50% off (I think Daryl mentioned bull denim as working well once, so I looked at it).  I think they also have heavier, but it was either sold out or not 100% cotton that day.  I think the 10oz. would measure in the neighborhood of 0.020", maybe just a little more.  It seems to shoot pretty well after washing -- it was a little disappointing unwashed because it wouldn't take up enough lube (I spray it on before loading).  I have had some "magically accurate" denim from Walmart, but as usual, when I ran low, I couldn't find anything like it in stock.  The cotton duck I had tore also -- some of it shot well, other bit of the same bolt would tear all the way through (doughnut patches) with reasonably mild charges in my .40 and not shoot well in my .50 at all.

I like (actually prefer) square patches, too -- it is all I use for plinking and woods work.  As long as the tip of the rod is not big enough to catch a corner when retracting the rod, square is as good as round and doesn't require anything special to make.  Also, the precut round ones irritate me unless they are a little oversized -- too easy to get loaded cockeyed in a primitive setting if you get started the least bit off center!  I found the ".50" cal. ones are better for my .40, for example.

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« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2013, 06:26:00 PM »
Agree...I also learned to use the next caliber size precuts for simplicity sake.
(OxYoke's 1+3/8" labeled .50-.59cal for my .45 / .50)

Just lubed / packaged 300 of these .028" x 1+3/8", and they're what I'll concentrate on for the first three thousand to match my total on hand  round ball inventory for the .45 & .50. 
(Then I'll make up some 1+5/8" for the .58)

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« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2013, 09:06:40 PM »
The new .028” pillow ticking parches in the deep .016” round bottom grooves are outstanding.
Plus it’s as easy to load and seat down as my .024” patches were.
The surprise is how the Rice 42” x .45cal x 1:66” barrel loves 110grns Goex 3F.
My usual 90grn charge was still excellent, plus, the 100 & 110grn charges were also outstanding.

This target was shot trying the 110grn charge from my normal seated hunting position at 25yds, no bench, and aside from the delay-fire flyer up high at 12 o’clock from not managing my flint, the 5 shot group below it speaks for itself.
Will see where it prints at 50yds next trip, and if it doesn’t require any sight adjustment…which it shouldn’t and something I don’t want to do…then I’ll experiment with the 110grn charge for deer hunting this fall just for something different to try.

Rice 42” x .45cal x 1:66” x .016” round bottom grooves
110grns Goex 3F
.028” Pillow Ticking / Natural Lube 1000
Hornady .440” ball
 


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« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2013, 10:05:24 PM »
The new .028” pillow ticking parches in the deep .016” round bottom grooves are outstanding.

Done!
All 10 yards of .028” pillow ticking has been washed / dried / ironed / cut up.
3000 @ 1+3/8” and 700 @ 1+5/8” square patches.
That’ll cover the left over inventory of .010” under bore size round balls (.440” / .490” / 570”) for a snug proper fit in their .016” round bottom groove barrels.
Bagged and stored, I’ll lube batches as I need them.

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Re: .024" commercial precut / prelubed shooting patches ?
« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2013, 04:28:29 PM »
Daryl, mine do, too.  In fact, I complained to Ox Yoke (Eastern Maine) about it and they send me a package that they selected to be .020.  It was about .018, but that was very nice of them.  I long ago learned that it is not the nominal thickness of patch material that is important but the compressed thickness.  The "Ox Yoke" (Eastern Maine) patches are very good.  Sometimes a barrel needs thick patches.
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« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2013, 09:43:56 PM »
Range tested the homemade square .028” x 1+5/8” pillow ticking patches in the round bottom groove .58cal today and they're perfect.

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« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2013, 10:06:39 PM »
Atta Boy!
Good choice and well done.
A lot of folks would never consider using the thick patch that most target accuracy folks have been using for decades, thanks for finally stepping up to the plate.

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« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2013, 03:39:42 AM »
Try Jeff Tanner  jeff@ballmoulds.co.uk  he has about any size/thickness patch you could need

He also makes some great moulds and is easy to do business with. Check him out at: Jeff Tanner moulds on yahoo

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