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Offline Shreckmeister

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Staining or painting horn plugs
« on: September 10, 2013, 08:34:02 PM »
I've seen a few original horns with colors on the plugs, particularly red, green and blue. 
It's hard to tell whether they were originally stained or painted or both?  Can somebody point
me in the right direction.  I just finished turning my plug and I put bands on it and want to
color them to look antique with bands of different colors.  I'm leaning toward stain or thinned
paint.  Help and Thanks
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Re: Staining or painting horn plugs
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2013, 02:25:12 AM »
The ones I've seen were both, kinda.  I've seen a number of horns where the plugs were painted, and where the paint was gone, there was some underlying stain.  After a bit of work, I'm pretty sure they were done with oil paints.  The difference in whether there is "staining" left behind may be due to the use or non-use of a primer.

To duplicate the red w/stain, for example, I made oil paint by mixing 50 ml of stand oil (I used Williamsburg Stand Oil from Dick Blick) with 25 ml of turpentine, then stirring in 11 grams of powdered red ochre.   

This is a fairly "glossy" paint.  You can matte it out by increasing the amount of ochre--but go slowly and experiment often.  In small quantities, it is easy to go too far.  Pretty soon, you find yourself adding a little oil, then a little turpentine, then a little more ochre. . . then you find yourself looking around for a barn to paint.   

Applied to some pieces of wood and dried in the sun, the recipe given did a decent job of duplicating the period paints.   Then I got brutal, and removed it with a heat gun and scraper.  The pigment/oil remaining in the wood looked like the red stain you mentioned. 

If you want just the paint effect, with bare wood showing when the paint wears off, prime the wood before painting.  I've used a primer made of equal parts by volume of stand oil and turpentine.   Let it dry before applying the paint.

I experimented with red ochre for reds, yellow ochre for yellows, and verdigris (copper acetate) for greens.  White lead for white.  I never tried for a blue--if replicating something post-1815 or so, you might try adding cobalt blue oil paint to the stand oil/turpentine mixture.   Don't forget that verdigris oil paints will go on blue-green, but aren't stable until they age to a dark green. 

That might be enough to get you started.  Just a friendly warning: if you use a heat gun to strip back some of the paint, do it OUTSIDE.  Trust me on this one!

Jim

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Re: Staining or painting horn plugs
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2013, 03:17:05 AM »
http://www.newportrestoration.org/sup/files/paint_18th_century_newport.pdf

I'm a huge fan of powdered milk paints. More folks should be.
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Re: Staining or painting horn plugs
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2013, 03:23:46 AM »
Thanks for your replies.  Habu, where do you get the supplies?  Craft shop?  I have turpentine, but the ochre etc?
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Re: Staining or painting horn plugs
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2013, 03:28:32 AM »
Kermit,  Love the story of how they made white lead paint. ;D  Great article thanks
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Re: Staining or painting horn plugs
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2013, 06:42:29 PM »
I get a lot of stuff from art supply stores, since there is a Dick Blick in driving distance I usually go there first for things like oils. 

Ochres and various other mineral pigments can be obtained from some pottery suppliers, or stores that sell supplies for coloring concrete.  Verdigris was scraped off the copper plates I have hanging in a sealed container over some vinegar, though I did get a couple pounds from pile of scrap copper once. 

White lead is hard to find these days.  Winsor & Newton still produce a "flake white" artist's oil paint, but the pigment is a mix of white lead and zinc white--not the same, but close.  My stash came from an old machine shop; if I didn't have it, I'd use the W&N "flake white." 

Shipping costs from suppliers often exceed the costs of the merchandise, and some suppliers don't want to monkey about with small sales.  If you can't find what you want locally, often the best strategy is to figure out what you want by name, then check ebay or Amazon. 

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Re: Staining or painting horn plugs
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2013, 03:51:52 AM »
Come to think of it I have some red mortar die from years ago stashed away that I used to point up my
former home.  Think I will give that a go.  Thanks
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