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Offline smylee grouch

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Acorn or Pinapple
« on: September 25, 2013, 09:11:15 PM »
I hope to get some work done on an English style rifle this winter and am wondering what trigger guard to use for an late period flint rifle. One with an acorn or pinapple . Is one more prevelent for that late flint era?
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Offline T*O*F

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Re: Acorn or Pinapple
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2013, 10:33:05 PM »
Acorns and Pineapples are a method of dating English guns.  Acorns came first.  Pineapples came after Capt. Cook discovered the Hawaiian Islands.  Don't remember the dates.
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Re: Acorn or Pinapple
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2013, 10:36:29 PM »
Eggs came first, then the chicken. They they Cooked them, with pineapple. Hawaiian Chicken, with zucchini on the side, please.

Dave, I never even thought about when the pineapple would have surfaced in English art. That's an excellent observation.
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Re: Acorn or Pinapple
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2013, 11:45:59 PM »
Oh Nuts, Acorns it is then. Now if I can find out when they started using the Prince of Whales grip I should be set.
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Offline James Rogers

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Re: Acorn or Pinapple
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2013, 12:02:14 AM »
For late flint I would go with the pineapple.
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Offline moleeyes36

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Re: Acorn or Pinapple
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2013, 12:09:38 AM »
Quote from: T*O*F on September 25, 2013, 10:33:05 PM
Acorns and Pineapples are a method of dating English guns.  Acorns came first.  Pineapples came after Capt. Cook discovered the Hawaiian Islands.  Don't remember the dates.


According to Wikipedia, which is sometime wrong, the date Cook discovered the Hawaiian Islands is January of 1778.  So I'd guess pineapples didn't start appearing on English guns until the late 1700's.

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Re: Acorn or Pinapple
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2013, 02:14:26 AM »
Good thing he didn't discover zucchini's They'd be some ugly finials. ;D

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Offline Long Ears

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Re: Acorn or Pinapple
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2013, 02:27:43 AM »
I think someone needs to sneak over to Tom's place next spring and squirt weed killer on that Zucchini patch. That poor guy is obsessed! Bob
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Re: Acorn or Pinapple
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2013, 02:32:19 AM »
Hi,
Keith Neal states that the change from acorn to pineapple began in 1784, at least on John Twigg's guns.  A late flint gun, meaning early 19th century, most often would have an engraved pineapple.

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Offline Tom Currie

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Re: Acorn or Pinapple
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2013, 02:59:40 AM »
Bill, Very funny, from a fellow Michigander.
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Re: Acorn or Pinapple
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2013, 05:34:51 AM »
Are you telling me that Michner was wrong when he had Charlton Hesston steal pineaples from Africa and take them to Hawaii?  Haw! Haw!
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Offline Kermit

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Re: Acorn or Pinapple
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2013, 07:47:52 AM »
Some dispute there. Pineapples may not have reached Hawai'i until after Cook was there. Pineapples were found in other places Cook explored. Some say pineapples didn't make it to Hawai'i until the 19th century.
Pineapples were around (Washington grew them in hothouses at Mount Vernon), but maybe not Hawai'ian.
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Re: Acorn or Pinapple
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2013, 07:36:23 PM »
 I always found it a bit ironic that the Pineapple, which was supposed to have been a symbol of PEACE and FRIENDSHIP was used to decorate a weapon... I have seen them on rifles, pistols and even a few swords.
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Re: Acorn or Pinapple
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2013, 05:51:34 PM »
Pineapples are native to Southern Brazil and Paraguay.  They were cultivated in Central America before Columbus discovered the New World.  Columbus may have brought examples back in his day.  They were known in England by the mid 1600's.       
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