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French Pistol Finished
« on: July 11, 2008, 04:34:19 AM »
So I suppose this doesn't technically qualify as American, nor as a Longrifle, but here goes. 

Here's my latest project, a French pistol inspired by an original I own circa 1760-1780.  The original by Pierre Coignet has a smaller lock and a huge buttcap which makes for very interesting lines.  Mine is more of an interpretation than a direct copy.   Original: http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y98/HelmsDown/Original%20French%20Flintlock/

The barrel is a .56 smoothbore made by Ken Netting (I got it from an ALR member earlier in the year).  8" long, 1" at the breech, tapering to a hair under 11/16", so it's pretty thin barrel wall.  Lock is a Chambers small queen anne cosmetically altered to look a bit more French.  The sideplate is similar to one I saw on AmbroseAntiques, somewhat Dutch in style.  The triggerguard is a close copy of the one on my original, made out of a wax cas fowler guard from Track.  Ramrod pipes are direct copies of the original as well, and the ramrod is offset to clear the mainspring.  The carving around the tang is similar to the original, with a lot of the details interpreted from earlier French and Dutch pistols.  The "draped" forestock molding is more reminiscent of late 17th and early 18th century Dutch and German arms, but I felt it added a neat detail in an otherwise boring area. 

Overall the dimensions and weight are very close to the original, but the lock is quite a bit larger, so the lock panels and grip are larger as well.  It weighs in at 1 and a half lbs. 

I had a lot of trouble with the triggerguard.  When I received it there were a few small voids that I thought would work out, but as I filed things down the voids just kept going on and on.  I ended up filling them with brass color silver braze (used on brass musical instruments).  It matched the surrounding brass really well and tarnished too, but was a pain in the butt.  Moral of the story: Wax castings should be perfect, so I should have sent it back for a replacement.

Aside of the matchlock, this is my first real pistol.  Any constructive criticism or thoughts would be most appreciated!  Thanks!


















More photos: http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y98/HelmsDown/French%20Pistol/
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Re: French Pistol Finished
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2008, 05:01:16 AM »
i likes it, i really like the way the transition at the entry pipe looks, and i do like the way the large butt sets off the small lock, and while im on the subject very well done tasteful engraving on the lock. i also think your transition from lock panels into the grip area is better than the original. over all i think its very nice thanks for showing! when you get tired of and and want to sell it let me know ;)
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Re: French Pistol Finished
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2008, 05:07:28 AM »
Hey Eric...

I don't know crapola about pistols, but I know good work when I see it, and that's better than good work!  To me, I get the feel of seeing a well cared for original.  I like your carving, moulding, and I see you've been doing some engraving work as well.  I certainly don't have any criticism, constructive or otherwise...  I think it looks great!  Will we get a chance to see it at Dixons??? Thanks for posting the pics, and again, very nice!

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Re: French Pistol Finished
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2008, 05:13:34 AM »
Eric, my address is in my profile!!!  Oh that is sweet!  What Ed said...twice!!  I hope you put a date on it somewhere..
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Re: French Pistol Finished
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2008, 05:18:45 AM »
Beautiful pistol, I don't see anything about it that I don't like.

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Re: French Pistol Finished
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2008, 05:27:28 AM »
Eric.
 I like that pistol. It's very nice.
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Re: French Pistol Finished
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2008, 05:33:47 AM »
Hi--Nicely done -Thanks for posting the pictures
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Re: French Pistol Finished
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2008, 06:12:55 AM »
Eric, The French side of me LIKES it a whole lot!! Alot of little details on it make me appreciate it. Keep' :) em coming

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Re: French Pistol Finished
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2008, 06:54:58 AM »
I like it all. In particular, the general styling seems right on and looks as though it would fit the hand nicely. The modification to the hammer really sets it apart. This just makes the whole thing go. Very continental. Nice carving as well.
The only thing I can criticize or would have done differently in hindsight is the molding behind the tailpipe is stubby. I would have made it longer or even connected it to the carving around the T.G. That is, more gracefull on a gracefull pistol. This is REALLY picky.

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Re: French Pistol Finished
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2008, 08:27:39 AM »
A really beautiful pistol. I copied all your pictures to my computor.
I liked the buttcap. Is it cast or made of sheet metal?

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Re: French Pistol Finished
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2008, 11:28:35 AM »
Great job Eric.  I love the stock geometry, makes the whole gun 'flow'.
Nicely done.   For sale?

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Re: French Pistol Finished
« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2008, 12:10:10 PM »
eric,looks good,i myself have been wanting to build a pistol.either a dutch or french pistol.let us know how she shoots!!!

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Re: French Pistol Finished
« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2008, 12:56:46 PM »
Eric, could you tell me a bit about the cosmetic changes you made to the lock? I have something i'm working on and would like to go for a similar look. Yours is great. Tom

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Re: French Pistol Finished
« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2008, 01:15:51 PM »
Really nice workanship Eric.  I don't know enough about "correct" pistol style to comment on details, but the overall effect is very pleasing.  The grounding work around the carvings and moldings is nice and clean, and on a piece of Walnut that was probably a lot softer than European Walnut...Good Job. 
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Re: French Pistol Finished
« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2008, 02:03:32 PM »
Very nice looking pistol.  I always had trouble with patience while building one.  They take far more time than one thinks they would.  That one took some time.

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Re: French Pistol Finished
« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2008, 04:06:23 PM »
I am quite a fan of flint pistols. I know enough about them to know it's hard to fit all the parts into a block of wood and make it look right. That Eric, is right. I like it.
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Re: French Pistol Finished
« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2008, 04:31:00 PM »
Eric,
Sweet work!

I like the way you took an English lock and made it look Continental.

If we had about twenty of you (TALENTED, young, motivated and pretty good at self-promotion) seeded thoughout the USA, our traditional muzzleloading tradition would be ensured.

Thanks for posting.

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Re: French Pistol Finished
« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2008, 04:37:38 PM »
Eric,

Super work!  I love it!

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Re: French Pistol Finished
« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2008, 09:49:30 PM »
Thanks for the comments fellas! 

I'll have this pistol and the original with me at Dixon's.  Wow, only 2 weeks away!  I tried to give it a slight patina, like it had been use for just a few years, but not much wear and tear.  Aquafortis sludge works.

The stock is Cherry, "stained" with easy-off oven cleaner.  I sprayed it on, let it sit for 10 minutes, then rinsed with water and neutralized with vinegar.   10 minutes was to long, when I rinsed it off the stock was much darker than it is now.  Thorough rubbing with vinegar lightened things a lot (the stock is a little lighter than in the photos).

Thanks for the honest comments Bill, much appreciated!  In retrospect there are a couple things I would have done differently.  Don't we all feel that way about our finished projects (and apply it to the next)? 

The buttcap was track's wax cast piece.  That one was still too small, so I annealed it and peened it to death.  STILL not as large as the original, but it worked.  The wax cast stuff from track is stiff, I had to anneal it after every few good hits with the hammer. 

To make the lock more continental in appearance I made a new top jaw screw, took some materia off of the back of the cock, and made the cock more slender throughout (less of a crest in the gooseneck).  I took all the edges off of the pan and frizzen, then filed a slight gutter around the pan.  The rim of the pan on the Chambers small QA is really thin and doesn't allow for much customization.  I had a local welder tig the pan so I could adjust things without having a paper thin rim.  The lockplate is still somewhat English in appearance, but you can't do too much with that.  One thing a lot of continental guns have is a molding where the pan meets the plate.  That could be done with a tig as well. 

Thanks again for the comments, looking forward to Dixon's! 
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Re: French Pistol Finished
« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2008, 09:57:19 PM »
Very nice and I like it very much.

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Re: French Pistol Finished
« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2008, 10:44:03 PM »
Your carving is improving and your engraving nicely styled too.  Did you stab or use a parting tool on the carving?
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Re: French Pistol Finished
« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2008, 11:11:29 PM »
Eric, thanks for showing us the new gun.

The mouldings all around the lock and RR channel are very well done. This complements the form of the fore end lock area very nicely.

i look forward to swinging this pistol around the motel room. Can we just prime the pan? Maybe after a beer or two.
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« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2008, 11:12:29 PM »
Also your backgrounding is exquisite.
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Re: French Pistol Finished
« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2008, 06:56:30 AM »
That's a great piece, and looks like an original.  Thanks for showing it around!

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« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2008, 04:56:27 PM »
A real nice job Eric. Beautiful work, shows real talent... Geo.   Se ya in two weeks