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John C IND

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Cleaning a Black Powder rifle?
« on: January 04, 2014, 05:48:43 AM »
What is a proper and thorough way to clean one after shooting it?
For example, a percussion?
I have an old original squirrel rifle I'd like to shoot and clean it correctly without wrecking it.
As always, thanks for any and all advice.

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Re: Cleaning a Black Powder rifle?
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2014, 06:08:03 AM »
This is the old timey way to do it. I think it works much better and quicker than patches and jags.  For percussion also take the nipple off and wash it.  http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=24312.0

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« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2014, 06:25:19 AM »
Don't know if it's proper or not, but it's worked for me for 40 someodd years.
 Put a wet patch doubled over on the nipple and lower the hammer. Put a goodly dollop of dishsoap in the barrel, pour the barrel full of boiling water. Stand the gun straight up and when the water shrinks away from the muzzle , pull the hammer back remove patch from the nipple, tip the gun so the nipple is pointing down, and push a patch down the bore on a jag. (do this outside , not in the bathtub,,) Push another dry patch or two down the barrel, let the gun cool down then oil the bore. ( big ol squirt of wd40 works well) Wipe the gun down with your favored preservtative and enjoy the rest of the day.
 On a flint lock simply stuff the touch hole with a tooth pick, and proceed as with the percussion gun.

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Re: Cleaning a Black Powder rifle?
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2014, 07:04:41 AM »
If your percussion has a hook breech, pull the barrel wedges over to their stops, remove the barrel from the stock.  Put the breech end in a bucket of water and then use a patched jag on your ramrod to pump the water up the barrel. Change water and pump a little more to be sure your barrel is cleaned up.  Wipe with some dry patches then I set mine in the AZ sun for a few minutes to heat the barrel evaporating any remaining water.  Wipe with oil patch inside and out.  I use BreakFree CLP.  Just make sure to wipe the bore oil free before your next shooting session. 

There are as many ways to do this as there are shooters I think.  If you get the bore clean and oiled you did it right.  If the bore should happen to be particularly dirty and not wiping clean with the dry patches you may want to cut a piece of green Scotch brite to wrap on your ramrod, put a little CLP on it and scrub the bore with that before final checking with patches with some bore cleaner (about an infinite number of formulae for that!) then dry and oil. 

Percussions have some strange chambers at the breech end.  If you find yours is so equipped come back and ask about cleaning those as another phase. 

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Re: Cleaning a Black Powder rifle?
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2014, 07:44:38 AM »
When I clean my rifles I pump cold water through the thing with several clening patches, dry with dry patches and use WD-40 in bore and a dry clean patch to get the excess WD-40 out.  Boiling water can cause flash rust in the bore.

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Re: Cleaning a Black Powder rifle?
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2014, 06:17:39 PM »
When I clean my rifles I pump cold water through the thing with several clening patches, dry with dry patches and use WD-40 in bore and a dry clean patch to get the excess WD-40 out.  Boiling water can cause flash rust in the bore.

X2 Smylee. Did the soap and boiling water stuff in the early 70s. Started going to matches and learned from others that tap water and several patches is all that is needed. W hooked breech stand barrel in can or cup and run a wet patch. Let it sit while cleaning lock. Then wet patches to clean, dry patch then squirt some WD40 down the bore and on a clean patch one pass. WD40 is Water Displacer mostly fish oil as I have read.

NOTE:  this applies to real Black Powder. If you are using anything else .... Well, good luck.

Next outing run small amount of rubbing alcohol thru and pop a cap or two.
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« Last Edit: January 04, 2014, 06:23:00 PM by TCompton »
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Re: Cleaning a Black Powder rifle?
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2014, 10:34:53 PM »
   Pop a what?

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Re: Cleaning a Black Powder rifle?
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2014, 01:06:00 AM »
Yea, one of them new fangled disposable rock contraptions. Thought the original poster said hooked breach. Oh well water to clean, WD40 to displace water, a little rubbing alcohol if you think you need it before shooting.
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Re: Cleaning a Black Powder rifle?
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2014, 02:07:23 AM »
Good advice, here.  Hard to think of much to add.  Figure out your own procedure using this information.
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Re: Cleaning a Black Powder rifle?
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2014, 02:45:56 AM »
When I clean my rifles I pump cold water through the thing with several clening patches, dry with dry patches and use WD-40 in bore and a dry clean patch to get the excess WD-40 out.  Boiling water can cause flash rust in the bore.

Cold water, get the bore and all other parts clean and dry - then I put a very lite coat of sheath oil to the metal (inside and out).  Been doing this for a very long time (30+ years) and like Smylee said, "boiling water can cause flash rust in the bore"

Now, with my cleaning technique posted, here's how Laura Ingalls Wilder, describes her Pa (Charles) cleaning his muzzle loader in the 1870's;

Chapter 3 (Little House in the Big Woods)

Pa would take the ramrod from under the gun barrel and fasten a piece of clean cloth to the end of it.  He poured boiling water down the barrel then quickly ran the ramrod up and down the bore letting the dirty water spurt out the nipple. He continued to add boiling hot water into the barrel / bore until the water came out clear.  He used boiling water so the heated steel would dry instantly...  He then ran a greased patch while the barrel was still hot, and also wiped down the rifle with the excess grease.

So we do know from an actual account in history that boiling hot water was used.

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Re: Cleaning a Black Powder rifle?
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2014, 04:49:04 AM »
I never store mine with just wd40 in the bore as it will rust.  Need to follow up with a patch of oil to protect the bore.  I use barricade rust preventative and never have a rust problem.

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Re: Cleaning a Black Powder rifle?
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2014, 05:13:57 AM »
I never store mine with just wd40 in the bore as it will rust.  Need to follow up with a patch of oil to protect the bore.  I use barricade rust preventative and never have a rust problem.

Several of the shooters around here, myself included, use a little olive oil on a patch to protect the bore with good results.  I prefer to use a natural oil rather than a petroleum based oil, but really I can't see how olive oil would have any advantage over most natural oils.  It's just what we've gotten into using over the years.
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Re: Cleaning a Black Powder rifle?
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2014, 05:18:34 AM »
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So we do know from an actual account in history that boiling hot water was used.



 Flashrust must be a regional thing. I have not been plaqued by it in any of my rifle barrels over the last couple of lustroms...

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Re: Cleaning a Black Powder rifle?
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2014, 06:06:08 AM »
I almost always clean in the field after shooting with plain water (alcohol when it's freezing), dry patches then oil. I like bear oil when I have it, but you have to keep it in your pocket in the winter or it gets stiff.  When I first started shooting ML someone told me you had to season your barrel (like an iron skillet) so I plugged the nipple and poured it full of mutton tallow and stood it up behind the wood stove for a day or two. It did seem to clean up nice after that for a long while but I don't have a wood stove to stand it up behind any more so I haven't tried this for a long time.
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Re: Cleaning a Black Powder rifle?
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2014, 06:16:32 AM »
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So we do know from an actual account in history that boiling hot water was used.



 Flashrust must be a regional thing. I have not been plaqued by it in any of my rifle barrels over the last couple of lustroms...

It could be regional?

I think the key word in using hot water is "boiling" hot water which was poured into the bore from a tea kettle.  Since Pa Ingalls repeated this several times until the water came out clear, he must have kept the water at a boil in the tea kettle.

It is also relayed in this writing that, "The water must always be boiling so that the heated steel would dry instantly."
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Re: Cleaning a Black Powder rifle?
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2014, 06:20:58 AM »
I think the key word in using hot water is "boiling" hot water which was poured into the bore from a tea kettle.  Since Pa Ingalls repeated this several times until the water came out clear, he must have kept the water at a boil in the tea kettle.

It is also relayed in this writing that, "The water must always be boiling so that the heated steel would dry instantly."

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Re: Cleaning a Black Powder rifle?
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2014, 06:25:42 AM »
Well as I said I pour boiling water in the barrel, it just takes a matter of seconds to heat the barrel, matter of fact it's helpful to use a glove on the hand holding the gun while doing the patch thing. Never had any flash rust problems, ever.

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« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2014, 07:38:58 AM »
Page 110 , Muzzleloading Caplock Rifle by Roberts  ;)

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Re: Cleaning a Black Powder rifle?
« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2014, 08:07:47 AM »
What does it say?  My book is a hardback August 1991 Reprint, and on page 110 is pictures of patch cutters and a false muzzle.
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« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2014, 08:20:33 AM »
My book is quite a bit older than yours... It's the part of the chapter about the proper way to clean the rifles,, starts out with boiling water..

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« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2014, 01:30:06 PM »
On my hook breeched Hawkens, after getting the bore clean I use a cup of boiling water. You definitely want to be holding the barrel with a good glove. I've avoided the "flash rust" problem by swabbing it down inside and out with Ballistol while it's still hot.
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Re: Cleaning a Black Powder rifle?
« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2014, 04:45:54 PM »
I usually wipe the bore until the patches come out greyish with No. 9 plus or whatever is on the bench.  Then spray/wipe the bore, barrel, and cleaned lock with G96.  Never had one rust.  G96 doesn't seem to hurt the finish.  I take them out of the safe about once a year and wipe the ones I haven't shot lately.  Never had more than light, easily wiped surface rust.  I clean my shotgun by laying it muzzle tilted down in a bush by the back door of my garage, and running a plastic tube on the end of a garden hose up and down the barrel and flushing it.  The crud runs out the muzzle.  Dry it and G96 it.
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Re: Cleaning a Black Powder rifle?
« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2014, 10:43:44 PM »
I'd just like to point something out to you who use 'boiling hot water'.  Rust is 'steel cancer'.  Once it has started, even a little, it is always there.  And it does not go away until, like cancer, it is CUT AWAY.  And if it is there, it continues to slowly get worse.  It will start with a light dusting - a little brown/red colour on a patch - an that is the beginning of the end for your barrel, or lock.
You all may do and use whatever system you wish...it's your rifle.  But I will not jeopardize my valuable and wonderfully shooting rifles.

I remove the lock and barrel from every rifle, regardless of attaching system, from the wood.  If percussion, I remove the nipple with a wrench that fits it well, and I clean it with a toothbrush in water.  No soap.  (Soaps and detergents contain salts and bases that have an affinity for iron molecules.)  I fill a vessel with water at room temperature, in my case a 14" length of black plastic pipe with a wooden plate dropped into the bottom for the tang.  The block has a hole drilled to receive the tang so the breech of the barrel itself, and not the tang, rests against the bottom.  I use a a stainless rod with a comfortable handle and a jag reduced in diameter to allow using at least two thicknesses of flannel cleaning patch material.  I wet the patches, place them over the jag, and introduce it into the bore holding the barrel vertically.  This combination must be very tight.  It requires determination and effort to push and pull the patch up and down the barrel, allowing the water to come up to the top by the vacuum, and then forcibly push it down hard, blasting the water under great pressure out of the vent, or in the case of a percussion rifle, the empty nipple seat.  It only takes about ten such strokes to remove all of the fouling from the rifling and especially from the breech where it will have caked on hard over the coarse of the day's shooting. 
Since I used tepid water, the bore will stay wet without oxidizing long enough for me to wipe down the outside with a towel, stand the barrel muzzle down against the bench, and dry and change the cleaning rod to new patches.  I mount the barrel in leather pads in my bench vise, and swivel it a bit so I can run the drying patches in easily.  Again, these patches are a tight fit and some considerable effort is needed to push and pull the patches through the bore.  But you have two hands with which to work, so a tighter combination is possible than just holding the barrel vertical in one hand, and drying it with the other.
the patches again are doubled, and the first pair comes out wet and quite dark.  It looks like you didn't get all of the fouling out.  Persevere.  The next pair come out less wet and not as dark.  The third pair come out with no discolouration, and the bore does not want to release it's grip on them.  The forth pair get a shot of WD40, and I squirt lots of the same fluid into the muzzle.  I will have placed a towel over the vent to receive the blast of WD 40.  When I push the WD40 wetted patches in, I use some vigor, and the liquid in the bore is blasted out of the vent.  With it, I trust, comes any vestige of water that may have remained at the junction of the breech plug and bore. 
Remove the barrel from the vise, wipe it down with the same oily patch(s), and stand it on it's muzzle while you clean your lock with a toothbrush and a pot of water.  I use the same water I just used to clean my barrel.  Then I use am air compressor to blow all of the water away from the lock, inside and out.  I hold the lock on a towel, and squirt locks of WD 40 on the lock on both front and back, and then again, blow it ALL away with the air compressor.  I lubricate the bearing surfaces with molybdenum grease, not oil, and then clean  the fouling away from the stock.  I rub the stock down with a towel, and reassemble it.
Last, I store the rifle muzzle down on a wooden support in my lock-up.  I do not want any oil in the barrel from travelling down the rifling and exiting the vent to damage the wood.  Ever seen an old Winchester rifle?  They are often black around the action from too much oil.  The wood is hugely compromised with oil soaking, not to mention the stock's finish.

To the originator of this thread...what you have is a valuable and lovely old rifle that deserves the best care you can provide.  Choose the system that will preserve the rifle 100 %...do not compromise through lack of information, or worse, laziness.

It took me longer by far to write this than it would have taken me to clean a rifle.
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Re: Cleaning a Black Powder rifle?
« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2014, 02:13:21 AM »
Could flash rust be regional? Water quality is regional, or even local. My well water is rusty and acidic - double trouble. Other water supplies are alkaline or sulfurous. Perhaps distilled water would negate the problem.

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« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2014, 08:43:53 AM »
I use water soluable machine oil to clean my guns, In all likelihood the water is probably what does the trick , but that's the way Dad taught us boys.

after wiping barrel dry I run a wet patch with break free down the bore.

WD-40 is a good water displacer, I used this on all my engines with point distributers when at the car wash ;D,

But WD-40 will dry up and not protect a bore from future rust.