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Offline David R. Pennington

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plastic powder cans
« on: January 19, 2014, 07:19:33 AM »
Last two cans of Goex were in plastic cans. I am wondering about long term storage in these. I know a few years ago we had to start using synthetic oils in refrigeration to be compatible with some of the new refrigerants. Some of these oils were very hygroscopic. They would become moisture contaminated very quickly if left open to the air any length of time. Originally the manufacturers were shipping the oil in gallon plastic containers. We soon discovered that the oil was drawing moisture in through the plastic and becoming moisture contaminated on the shelf. Eventually the manufacturers had to switch to metal containers. Could this happen with our powder? I think I will transfer my powder to metal cans. Could static electricity be a problem with plastic containers?
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Re: plastic powder cans
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2014, 07:59:45 AM »
I work in the plastics industry.

There is no problem with the plastic bottles used for powders, they will seal tighter than a tin can and there is no porosity of the plastic that will allow moisture to gain access to the inside of the bottle.
Those bottles have an added anti-static compound as part of the High Density Poly Ethylene matrix the bottle is made from.
Matter of fact, direct discharge of static electricity won't ignite a free standing pile of powder.

If there was an issue of "oils" excepting ambient moisture while stored in plastic containers, the plastic may have been susceptible to the oils or there was an issue with the spouts/lids for the containers. If they where "gallon" plastic containers, my guess is they where like a jug for anti-freeze that have a paper seal inside the cap,, that seal probably gave out/ rotted because of the oil's properties.
 This is not the case with plastic powder bottles.

It's always interesting to see folks concerned with this plastic bottle stuff, when the same folks will use the same plastic containers to store gasoline in their garage without a second thought.

That's not directed at you David, it's just that this topic is notorious for rearing it's head every few months for years now.
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Re: plastic powder cans
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2014, 04:45:13 PM »
I am not to concerned about the new plastic cans.  I can not find a lid with a pouring spout that fits the new cans.
 I did find one place but shipping was more than the lid.
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Re: plastic powder cans
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2014, 06:27:15 PM »
just rig a old rifle or pistole cartridge in a lid you have make a spout cover /plug for it good to go

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Re: plastic powder cans
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2014, 06:41:12 PM »
There's enough plastic in the world today (to much), I prefer metal.  Just me... ;)
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Re: plastic powder cans
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2014, 06:58:07 PM »
I've had plastic cans of Swiss and Kik in the basement for a few years.  Pretty humid in the basement in the summer and no problems what so ever with the powder.  The Swiss is used in a mid range and long range BP cartridge rifle, so if the the powder was "going away" it would be pretty obvious.
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Re: plastic powder cans
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2014, 08:58:41 PM »
I find it amazing that people do not realize that the containers have to be safe to ship and store the powder in or the powder makers would NOT USE THEM  ::)

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Re: plastic powder cans
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2014, 09:43:21 PM »
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I did find one place but shipping was more than the lid.
Can I then deduce that you are looking for one whose price exceeds the cost of shipping.
I think we can fix you right up with that. 

Haha! Brilliant!

John :D
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Re: plastic powder cans
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2014, 10:01:25 PM »
I find it amazing that people do not realize that the containers have to be safe to ship and store the powder in or the powder makers would NOT USE THEM  ::)

Dan

 :o Aw there ya go again Dan , getting all practical and stuff.  ;D :D ;)

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Re: plastic powder cans
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2014, 10:31:51 PM »
I've handled enough plastic gunpowder containers over the years to not be worried about static electricity. In fact, I haven't even seen enough of a static charge to hold powder granules to the side of a container, or to the top of the lid. Never.

Offline Bob Roller

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Re: plastic powder cans
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2014, 01:12:46 AM »
There was a long discussion some time ago on the BP-L forum
about static electricity setting off black powder and it was determined
by experimentation that it was not going to happen.I prefer to err on
the side of caution and not attempt any ignition other than by flint or
cap with the powder confined in the barrel of a muzzle loader of a breech loader.

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Re: plastic powder cans
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2014, 01:19:09 AM »
i like the plastic cans, they dont form rust at the bottom like my last goex can did.

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Re: plastic powder cans
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2014, 02:35:59 AM »
You guys need to shoot more. Black Powder sure doesn't get stale at this place and I buy it in bulk. Bob

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Re: plastic powder cans
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2014, 03:30:22 AM »
I can see it now...  The bleeding hearts that preach lead pollution and at the same time drink water from a plastic bottle will eventually get around to us "powder" users and start preaching we're polluting the earth with lead and plastic...  All the time they (the bleeding hearts) will be preaching against us with a book about global warming and pollution in one hand, and a plastic bottle of water in the other..... :o
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Re: plastic powder cans
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2014, 03:32:13 AM »
doesnt last long here either, but what store i bought it from or how long hodgdon kept it in storage is beyond me.

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Re: plastic powder cans
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2014, 06:13:53 AM »
Well look at the bright side you will be able to sell your older Goex cans at a gun show for relics in a few years ;D ;D ;D

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Re: plastic powder cans
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2014, 04:13:35 PM »
Not that I'm a fan of plastic cans, but on the bright side when you empty the can it won't have that little bit of powder left in it that just doesn't want to leave the can.

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Re: plastic powder cans
« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2014, 05:21:47 PM »
When I open a fresh can, I transfer it into a metal can, so I can use my pouring spout that fits my metal can.

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Re: plastic powder cans
« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2014, 07:19:47 PM »
I did find one place but shipping was more than the lid.
May I inquire as to the name of that place? I haven't seen one for sale yet, and they may carry a couple of other items I need that will help justify the postage.

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Re: plastic powder cans
« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2014, 04:05:27 AM »
  the gentleman was wonder how to get pour spout on large cap plastic lid.   go to reastuarnt supply house . they sell the metal wiskey bottle pourers with hinged
 metal flap to cover end.they have a  ribbed rubber  bushing  that goes down bottle.cut a whole in the center  cap just big  enough for round hollow rod to go threw.then push rubber bushing up snug against bottom of plastic cap and trim rubber to bottom of rod. works real well and can swivel pour spout.i think doug paid 20 bucks a dozen for threm

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Re: plastic powder cans
« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2014, 04:27:23 PM »
When I open a fresh can, I transfer it into a metal can, so I can use my pouring spout that fits my metal can.

Exactly!
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Re: plastic powder cans
« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2014, 04:45:42 PM »
I did find one place but shipping was more than the lid.
May I inquire as to the name of that place? I haven't seen one for sale yet, and they may carry a couple of other items I need that will help justify the postage.

Dixie Gun Works has the lids with pouring spout for the new plastic cans.  I bit the bullet and ordered one.
iloco