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Offline Majorjoel

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Very Interesting Flintlock
« on: February 10, 2014, 07:37:29 PM »
 This lock is off of an English double ca. 1770 by Knubley.  Wow!       
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Re: Very Interesting Flintlock
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2014, 07:56:07 PM »
Wow is right.  Looks like a watchmaker made it.
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Re: Very Interesting Flintlock
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2014, 08:47:51 PM »
Those Brits can make guns....Tom
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Offline redheart

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Re: Very Interesting Flintlock
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2014, 08:48:23 PM »
It's the most beautiful lock I've ever seen! :o
I think I'm going to ask Bob Roller if he'll make one up for me. ;)
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Re: Very Interesting Flintlock
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2014, 09:07:47 PM »
Redheart,  There are a number of contemporary makers who make locks that are truly works
of art.  Might be interesting to post pictures of everyones favorite locks.  I'll try to dig mine up.
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Offline Bob Roller

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Re: Very Interesting Flintlock
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2014, 09:33:03 PM »
It is an unusual treatment of the brodle but other than that,
it's typical of the high class work the British lock filers were
capable of.This one looks like it is low "mileage" and many of them
are because it appears that few were ever really used after the first
owner took possession of them.

Bob Roller
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Re: Very Interesting Flintlock
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2014, 09:34:14 PM »
TYPO--I meant BRIDLE.hit the wrong key.
Bob Roller
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Offline Chris Treichel

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Re: Very Interesting Flintlock
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2014, 10:02:13 PM »
The rest of that gun is really pretty as well.  Also not as expensive as I thought one of these would go for.  http://www.gunsinternational.com/Knubley-22-bore-double-flint-ready-for-the-field-Classic-English-Flint.cfm?gun_id=100415000
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Re: Very Interesting Flintlock
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2014, 10:18:16 PM »
now that's a sexy lock!

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Re: Very Interesting Flintlock
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2014, 10:22:25 PM »
Quote from: Shreckmeister on February 10, 2014, 09:07:47 PM
Redheart,  There are a number of contemporary makers who make locks that are truly works
of art.  Might be interesting to post pictures of everyones favorite locks.  I'll try to dig mine up.
Shreckmeister,
Thanks, that would be awesome!
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Offline David R. Pennington

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Re: Very Interesting Flintlock
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2014, 06:11:51 AM »
What is the rectangular slot in the bridle for? What is the triangular piece in between the leaves of the sear spring? Looks like the mechanism for an external safety but there doesn't appear to be one on the outside. Very interesting.
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Re: Very Interesting Flintlock
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2014, 06:42:20 AM »
David R, here is a quote that will answer some of your questions...from the site the gun is for sale on.

"It went through a major restoration project that included barrel reconditioning, browning, and re=engraving, stock restoration , and action restoration. Peter Dyson of England restored the locks (the safeties were deactivated) "

Nice lock!

Curtis
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Offline Majorjoel

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Re: Very Interesting Flintlock
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2014, 02:16:10 PM »
I think that Bob Roller would be very interested in what the modern craftsman was paid for his lock "restoration" on this piece back in 2009! I am trying to figure out just why a gun owner would like to have his lock safeties deactivated??  I wonder what it's condition was before all of the work.     Quotes from the listing:   This double flint fowler is a circa 1770 22 bore. It went through a major restoration project that included barrel reconditioning, browning, and re=engraving, stock restoration , and action restoration. Peter Dyson of England restored the locks (the safeties were deactivated) at a cost of over $1700 in 2009. The gun remains un-fired after major restoration. The gun has won many awards at the annual Calif SXS gathering. What I like about this gun is the very shootable stock dimensions. This gun was made for wing shooting! Do look at the picture of the inside of the lock as they are works of art.

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Offline Bob Roller

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Re: Very Interesting Flintlock
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2014, 02:59:28 PM »
Majorjoel,
I looked at the the insides of the lock shown and wonder why
such an ugly bridle was used.The rest looks nice and the external
appearance is great.I don't know why the safeties were disabled
but I do know some of these devices are fragile and a labor intensive
thing to make or repair.I won't make them on my new locks and
don't consider them as a needed item on any lock.
The $1700 repair/restoration was probably a long term labor charge.
This class of work is rare and it goes back to the idea of a willing buyer
and a willing seller finding each other.I don't listen to price wheedling
and will hang up on a call asking for discounts.
I have looked at these parts from England and while they are OK for
restoration,I won't use them for anything that is going to be shot a lot.
I recently found some that I had laying around and sold them to a man
that wanted to make a lock with them.They were made from Manton
parts used for patterns.

Bob Roller
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Offline Jim Kibler

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Re: Very Interesting Flintlock
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2014, 04:51:31 PM »
I highly doubt that gun is from 1770.  As far as "restoration" I have to ask why?  I of course haven't seen the before pictures, but the approach of refinishing surfaces etc.  ???  But that's the British way... 
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Re: Very Interesting Flintlock
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2014, 05:24:59 PM »
The best grade English stuff is just amazing. Not much more that that to say.
Casehardened in colors too. Fancy that.
Thanks for the photo.

Dan
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Re: Very Interesting Flintlock
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2014, 05:58:03 PM »
A safe bet is that the case colors were part of the restoration, by the looks of things.
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