Bore Coat in my 58

[frontier gander]

Last night I had been cleaning and using dyna tek bore coat in an AK47 and then my Mosin Nagant. I figured I may as well do my 58 while I am at it. Super happy with the results and especially how easy the fouling wipes out but most importantly, how the second, third, fourth and fifth shot loaded. Darn near like a clean barrel and the recovered patches were super clean.

100gr Sheutzen 2f powder - .562" ball - .020" patches.


I used three premade swabbing patches just to get an idea how heavy the fouling was and was super happy with the results as well. You still have to do the soapy water deal for cleaning it right, but less fouling build up is always welcome in my guns. Plus that Fact my bore will no longer rust in foul weather conditions.

[dlbarr]

FG, how often is it recommended to reapply this product? Your results sound good.

[frontier gander]

they recommend 4,000 shots with a centerfire/jacketed pistol bullets.  So for a muzzleloader shooting patched ball, Its more than likely once in a lifetime LOL. Just don't use a bronze bore brush, it will damage the coating.

[dlbarr]

OK great. That makes the high price for a small quantity of product a bit more palatable.

How many barrels do you suppose this small amount would treat?

Also, did you use the two small bottles or the stuff in the tubes?

[frontier gander]

I got the bulk bore coat since we had many rifles to do. We've done 6 so far but 3 of them had short 20" barrels. Plenty left for at least 2 - 4 guns .Something like $45-48 shipped from midway. Mine was the kid with the 2 aluminum jars. One is bore coat, the other is a degreaser. You can just use a cotton bore patch, use a dripper or some sort and get a patch lightly wet, swab the bore and reapply on the next 3 strokes. Maybe I can do a video next time to help out. The videos they supply show you how to use up the product within 3 pistols lol.

[dlbarr]

The videos they supply show you how to use up the product within 3 pistols lol.

Yes, if it's as effective as they promote, they need to find a way to move LOTS of it! 

Appreciate your clarification. Think I'll go get some of this stuff, sounds worthwhile to me.

[drago]

can you oil and degrease the barrel without affecting the coating?

[frontier gander]

yes you can still oil if you want to, it wont hurt anything but kind of overkill since the coating doesnt require you to oil the bore anymore.

[Daryl]

That stuff will work perfectly for the inline crowd - no cleaning , either.

[D. Taylor Sapergia]

You just couldn't take it any longer could ya?

[Long Ears]

Jim Bridger probably used it huh?

[frontier gander]

had it been available, he probably would have! Having to clean your barrel during a injun fight sure does suck.

[mjm46@bellsouth.net]

I am somewhat unclear and confused as to what this stuff is supposed to be or do.

Is it a lube?  Is it a rust preventative? Does it eliminate cleaning?

I'd appreciate an in depth follow-up on the product after some time, say at least six months.

Sounds a little too good to be true, kind of like "Snake oil" good for everything.   

[frontier gander]

I am somewhat unclear and confused as to what this stuff is supposed to be or do.

Is it a lube?  Is it a rust preventative? Does it eliminate cleaning?

I'd appreciate an in depth follow-up on the product after some time, say at least six months.

Sounds a little too good to be true, kind of like "Snake oil" good for everything.   

Only 6 months? I've had the stuff in a handful of rifles and muzzleloaders for the past 3 years!

Its a special glue that has very very fine particles of ceramic in it. When you apply it to the barrel and let it set up for 6 hours, you shoot it HOT and as fast as you can reload to keep the barrel hot, the hotter, the better as it will set up the glue/embed the ceramic particles into the steel of the barrel.

#1 is it reduces all fouling, lead, carbon, copper, ect.
#2 is it seals the bore off from rust. I have never had ANY kind of rust whatsoever inside or outside " Dynatek gunshield for the outside" during foul weather and from taking it inside after being outside in the cold for a a day.
#3 clean up is so much quicker in all rifles I've applied it, especially a 1942 Mosin Nagant m9130 which shoots some accurate but dirty as sin Russian ammo.

Snakeoil would be Bore Butter these days

[smokinbuck]

Sorry fellows, I have to go with Micah's "snake oil" observation. I'm going to keep cleaning and oiling just like I've done for the last 40 years.
Mark

[frontier gander]

well you can lead a mule to water but you cant make it drink 

This is a clean SS barrel I did almost 4 years ago.


heres a great side by side of 2 rifles i have.American Pioneer Powder was used, Guess which one is snake oil 


Goex,

[axelp]

Looks interesting no doubt...however--- I think most of us here on this board shoot traditonal muzzleloaders---for the historical value of it. And that includes care and feeding--at least for me.

There are modern things I have to use because of modern law restrictions, (such as ITX non-lead roundballs for hunting purposes), but anything within the law that fits the history, I try to maintain. 

I am sure there are newer ways to skin the same cat and I have no issues with them, but so far I have found that the old dead guys' methods as far as care and feeding of these traditional guns work just fine.

I enjoy cleaning my muzzleloaders after a weekend of making smoke, or hunting. Its all a part of the fun.

(now don't y'all start shipping your dirty guns to me for cleanin! 

K

[necchi]

Yeah,
My gun's have been rust free for the last 45yrs too, ML's and CF.
Don't need any Wiz-bang product to "help"

[Gene Carrell]

I don't see where there would be any advantage to me. I don't find it difficult to clean up after a days shooting and I have not experienced any storage rust in over 60yrs., so... The old way seems to work, clean it, oil it and put it away.

[frontier gander]

huge benefit at rondy shoots! While the others are cleaning, you can keep shooting before taking a water break.

Im not of a hunter so keeping rust out of my bore during a poor weather hunt in the main reason i did it, along with keeping the fouling super light and easy to reload. That other gun beside it in the pictures, I had to run inside and get my solid SS range rod and mallet to tap the next ball down the bore.

[D. Taylor Sapergia]

That other gun beside it in the pictures, I had to run inside and get my solid SS range rod and mallet to tap the next ball down the bore.....a quote from Gander's last post.

Then you have problems.  If this modern stuff is the cure for you, congratulations.  My question to you regards your problems.  How are you cleaning, that you need some sealant to prevent fouling build up and thus difficulty loading, and what patch/lube/ball are you using that causes this build up and difficulty.  Your previous and perhaps current regime has possibly caused oxidation of your bore(s) and this will definitely cause the problems you are referring to.  I don't use an additive, and don't have those 'problems'.  So what you're using is different than what I am - so what's the answer?  Again, you may have found the solution that works for you.  I won't be buying it.

[frontier gander]

those are the tight bored cva's. They prefer a .018" and .490 - .530" round ball. I only have the 50cal but thats the stubborn one. The reduced fouling is any muzzleloaders best friend. If you want believe in it, thats fine, i didnt think much of it until i gave it a try and knew from Experience what the stuff does. Its not some silly bore butter of wonder tube lube that says it keeps fouling soft. It simply seals the steel and keeps rust away, reduced fouling greatly. It helped huge in that m9130 of ours.

[whitebear]

Interesting, but it sure sounds too good to be true.

[Robby]

had it been available, he probably would have! Having to clean your barrel during a injun fight sure does suck.

Had a 30-06 been available, he would have used that too. We have those options and for me, water and flannel have worked fine, I see no reason to change. Good luck!
Robby

[axelp]

All of my ml'ders can mostly be loaded as many times as I want to shoot em without any kind of cleaning. I can think of one time that I chose to swab the bore--I think the weather played a part, more than the barrel condition. And from what I read, the need to clean the bore of a dirty gun eventually, was a common practice for the old dead guys. Its all a part of the blackpowder experience…

Now… trying it in my 1874 Shiloh Sharps rifle might be interesting….  hmmmmmmm. 

I wonder if using it would be legal in bpcr matches?

K