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Stelec

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Unknown Long Rifle
« on: February 21, 2014, 05:38:50 AM »
My wife came into possession of a Pennsylvania long rifle which has been in her family since at least 1832. It is a  percussion lock and is stamped twice on the barrel with A.STRAWVICK with an engraved AS between the stampings. The barrel has also been engraved with the name of her great grandfather Wm. Slater and the date 1832.  William Slater was from Butler County, PA. The problem I see with the date is that William Butler was born June 1832.

Family anecdotal history has the rifle residing for many years in various attics in western Pennsylvania as it passed from father to son.

I am wondering about the gunsmith. I have seen a reference to an Andrew Strawvick who is associated with Butler County.

I will provide photos as soon as I can make some decent ones.

I would appreciate any information concerning this firearm.

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Re: Unknown Long Rifle
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2014, 09:21:52 PM »
Sellers Gunsmiths book has the following for your maker. Andrew Strawvick (?-1832), Butler, Pa. 1810-1832. Percussion fullstock. (Whisker II).

William Butler, born June 1832 fits in where?

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Re: Unknown Long Rifle
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2014, 11:47:48 PM »
I believe the confusion may be that  William SLATER was born in 1832, ( born June 10, 1832 died March 23, 1912 ), in BUTLER County. ??? 
Mr. Shreckmeister has some info on this maker if I am not mistaken.
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Re: Unknown Long Rifle
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2014, 12:52:58 AM »
I have found a reference to Andrew Strawick, Andrew Strawick Jr and Hugh M. Strawick, three generations of Western Pennsylvania gunsmiths who lived in various parts of Butler and Armstrong Counties in Pennsylvania, notably in Buffalo Township and Butler within the county. Buffalo Township is in the southeast corner of Butler County.  William Slater/Slator lived in Summit Township to the northwest of Buffalo. I have also been advised that Andrew Strawvick worked in the vicinity of Saxonburg in Jefferson Township. Jefferson Township is directly below Summit and adjacent to Bufflao.

The 1850 census shows an Andrew Strawick, blacksmith, residing in Buffalo Township with his son Hugh.

Name variations from the older census records can be expected.  William's grandfather Johan, from Alsace, has been identified as Schledorn, Slaytor, Slator and Slater. William's last name shows up in records as Slator and Slater.

As I said before, the 1832 is William' birth year, so the rifle was manufactured after that. William spent his entire life in Butler County with the exception of the approximately 9 months he served as a draftee in the 107th PA Infantry in 1864-65. He was a farmer, so the rifle was well used as he used it to hunt and supplement his family's food supply and income. 

The barrel is 39 inches in length. the hexagonal bore is 0.36 inches. The stock is tiger maple with silver insets.  The buttplate and patch box appear to be brass. The percussion lock appears to be steel or iron.

I don't think I will be able to accurately date the rifle.


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Re: Unknown Long Rifle
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2014, 04:07:01 AM »
Posting pictures of the rifle would help.
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Re: Unknown Long Rifle
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2014, 09:03:27 PM »
I will as soon as I figure out how to attach photos.

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Re: Unknown Long Rifle
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2014, 09:12:40 PM »
I will as soon as I figure out how to attach photos.

Hi Stelec,

Welcome to ALR.  Here's a link to a tutorial on posting pictures.  http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=10.0

Looking forward to seeing your rifle.

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Re: Unknown Long Rifle
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2014, 10:00:17 PM »
Western Pennsylvania Historical Magazine]
Vol 9, Number 2 April 1926
List of Articles Presented to the Historical Society
of Western Pennsylvania.

372—The Strawick Collection of Gunsmith Tools.
This collection consists of one "Leader" a machine for rifling
guns by hand and one rifle barrel cut, cleaned and rifled by
Hugh M. Strawick; also a few tools used in the construction
of a gun, rifle or shot gun. This set for the most part is
hand made.
The leader was first constructed by Andrew Strawick who
came into eastern Pennsylvania from New Jersey with the
forces of the American Revolution, later pioneering west and
settling in what is now Butler County. In 1790 he was married
to Nancy Neil whose parents had also come west after the
"war". Together they bought 400 acres of land; the first
taxation of this land took place in 1803. A small village and
church known as West Jefferson, Pa. now stands on a part
of this land.
About 1810 Andrew Strawick turned his attention to gunsmithing
rather than clearing land and teaching school and
made a trip to Pittsburgh to secure the necessary equipment
to start in business. The construction of the above mentioned
"leader" was begun at that time and has been in continuous
use until about six years ago. Andrew Strawick, Jr. moved
the shop to Butler in 1838, but before that, in 1813, the gun
carried by David Strawick, son of the first Andrew when he
volunteered for service in the war of 1812 at the age of 20,
was rifled and put in repair on this machine by his father.
Many of the "smooth bore'' guns of the day were made over
in this shop by Andrew Strawick, Sr. After moving to Butler,
the business was known as the "Modern Works for Manufacturing
and Repairing Guns".
The family continued to live in Butler until 1856 when they
moved to Brady's Bend in Armstrong County where the third
Andrew went into business with his father. They carried
with them the old "leader," business flourished and all went
well until the Civil War. Two sons from the Strawick home
volunteered, Hugh M. and Jacob Walter, later becoming part
of the 139 volunteer infantry. Jacob Walter was killed in
the battle of Fredericksburg, May 3, 1863, at the age of 21.
Later Andrew IIIalso enlisted.
After the close of the Civil War, Andrew IIImoved his family
to Beaver Falls. Hugh M. married Elizabeth Benninger
of Brady's Bend and took Andrew's place in the business with
his father.
In 1872 the family returned to Butler and after the death of
Andrew IIin 1884, Hugh M. inherited the gunsmith machinery
and 'business. Neil Andrew, a veteran of the Spanish
American war and William, sons of Hugh M. would have inherited
these same relics had they lived. Hugh M. Strawick
died at his home in Butler County, July 16, 1925 at the age
of 91, having retired from active business five years prior to
his death.
There are two boys, Somers William and Hugh Andrew who
may some time come to the Historical Society to see the carefully
guarded and much loved workmanship of their father*.
128 Articles Presented to Historical Society
We feel that these dumb objects speak eloquently of a day
gone by; of the subduing of the forest and the upbuilding of
a great state.
(The Daughter)
Donatedto the Historical Society of Western Pennsylvania by
Gertrude Strawick and Yetty Strawick Seaborn, daughters of
the late Hugh M. Strawick of Butler, Penna.
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Re: Unknown Long Rifle
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2014, 09:01:28 PM »
2 things struck me as I looked at the pictures. The fit and finish of the lock don't seem to match the condition of the mortice or the condition of the barrel surface. Also the hammer doesn't align well with the nipple. I am not the one to bank on but could we have a replacement lock here. Also the trigger gaurd appears to have been left in a somewhat unfinished condition which doesn't go along with the quality of what can be seen of the rest of the rifle???
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Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.