Author Topic: Barrel Identification (Read 31727 times)

Mark Elliott · « **Reply #25 on:** February 23, 2014, 04:07:27 AM »

I think the mid 19th century half stock is going to be your best bet. A 1" 54 cal is definitely not a bench gun. It is way to light for that. Like Bob suggested, look at the Ohio half-stock rifles. Of course, that means percussion. Look at this for reference; http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/616/1/VINCENT-OHIO-PERC-PARTS-LIST.

Old Bob · « **Reply #26 on:** February 23, 2014, 05:19:43 AM »

Quote from: Dennis Glazener on February 22, 2014, 03:42:57 AM

Quote from: Shovelbuck on February 22, 2014, 03:25:09 AM
From what I understand, the "L" indicates match grade. It also will have radiused lands
If you are referring to Rich'S answer about the J's on the Bill Large barrel, is was not meant to be a wisecrack, its true, The J's had someghing to do eith his daughters.
Dennis

It did. All of their names began with J. One of them passed away a few years ago, but the others still come to the yearly over the log match held at Bill's range. After the match they host a light meal in the shop. They are very nice ladies.

Ray Pennington · « **Reply #27 on:** February 23, 2014, 02:59:47 PM »

Thank you Mark and Old Bob!! I will check out the URL you sent me!! Is there some one on here that sells the parts I need for the build? Or a site I can go to?

Again thanks;
Ray Pennington

Longknife · « **Reply #28 on:** February 23, 2014, 08:44:33 PM »

Ray, With that .54 cal. X 1 inch X 37 1/2 inch barrel you really need to build a Hawken plains rifle or a Leman trade rifle. You could either go with a full stock or half stock. If you do a Half stock you could shorten the barrel but I wouldn't shorten it to less than 36 inches, personally I'd leave it full length. They just don't look good with the shorter barrels. Yes, it will be heavier than your .30-06 but then its a HAWKEN and they were heavy, often weighing over 10 lbs. Search "Hawken" on the Track of the Wolf website for parts. But I warn you it ain't gonna be easy!!!! There a places that will shape your stock and inlet your barrel, the stock needs to be at least 32 inches long for a half stock. You will need a pretty long list of tools, supplies and a well lit shop with sturdy workbench and vice, drill press, grinder, beer,,,,etc etc...etc. The list goes on and on. Oh, and then there are the books you might want to get about building m-loaders and Hawken rifles, do a search for author "John Baird" and "Charles Hanson". You might consider getting a knowledgeable gunsmith to build it for you or build it "in the white", that is, completely assemble it with you doing the finish work. GOOD LUCK, you got BIT and there is NO RETURN!!!!!!! HAAA! ....LK

http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/GunKit.aspx/615/1/KIT-CARSON-HAWKEN-RIFLE-PARTS-LIST/List

http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/617/1/HE-LEMAN-INDIAN-TRADE-RIFLE-PERC-PARTS-LIST

http://www.trackofthewolf.com/List/Item.aspx/604/1

http://www.trackofthewolf.com/List/Item.aspx/604/1

Ray Pennington · « **Reply #29 on:** February 23, 2014, 09:08:57 PM »

HA!!! LONGKNIFE, I so enjoyed your post, it gave me the "bug" even more!!! I reviewed the lone wolf site and have ordered their catalog as well as the Dixie Gun Works and the Peatonica Long rifle supply catalogs and will review the URL's you sent me!!

To all here; I thank you for all the information and look forward to any and ALL comments, directions and suggestions!!
Would you happen to know the worth of this barrel?

Regards;

Ray Pennington
South Point, Ohio

Ray Pennington · « **Reply #30 on:** February 24, 2014, 12:28:29 AM »

I promised a few pictures of the barrel and parts that I just purchased, If I done this wrong or too many I apologize.
Ray Pennington

Ray Pennington · « **Reply #31 on:** February 24, 2014, 12:31:45 AM »

Sorry, I will try again

Bob Roller · « **Reply #32 on:** February 24, 2014, 01:20:31 AM »

The barrel is definitely Bill Large and is a representation of a pre 1849 Hawken.
The hammer was designed by Bill in 1972 and he had a mould made to make it and I own that mould.
The butt plate and trigger guard are steel castings and seem to be of good quality.
This is one of Bill's hand made solid patent breeches and of rare style.

Bob Roller

Ray Pennington · « **Reply #33 on:** February 24, 2014, 01:49:27 AM »

I really appreciate your input & knowledge Bob!!!! I was hoping it would be a treasure to pass down to my family!!

Ray Pennington

jamesthomas · « **Reply #34 on:** February 24, 2014, 02:35:40 AM »

Man, that looks like a nice barrel!, not bad looking for a 40+ year old barrel. It sure does have a long tang! wouldn't want to try to inlet that one. It would have been nicer if it was a flintlock though. How much does it weigh? in case I've miss it

Ray Pennington · « **Reply #35 on:** February 24, 2014, 02:47:10 AM »

James e.; I haven't weighed it yet, but I'm guessing around 5-6 lbs. maybe it would have been nicer but he didn't have a flintlock, I like this one.

KLMoors · « **Reply #36 on:** February 24, 2014, 04:09:31 AM »

Very nice! Take your time, ask a lot of questions, and you should end up with a real nice rifle. Your dog looks concerned that this may cut into his play time with you and his toy.

Ray Pennington · « **Reply #37 on:** February 24, 2014, 04:43:00 AM »

Yes ole' Buck is always by my side in the house, in the shop or in the yard!! Lol. And thanks for the input, I will do my best to take my time!! I would like to build this for my family to pass along!

Again thanks

Ray Pennington · « **Reply #38 on:** February 24, 2014, 04:45:25 AM »

James e.; the tang is 4 1/4" long!! It will be a job!!!

Mark Elliott · « **Reply #39 on:** February 24, 2014, 05:01:34 AM »

LOL......I had a really good laugh looking at the expression on that dog's face. He seems so concerned about what his owner is up to.

Ray Pennington · « **Reply #40 on:** February 24, 2014, 05:12:42 AM »

Ha!! Yes he's my buddy!! Has his eye on me all the time!! Lol

Ray Pennington · « **Reply #41 on:** February 25, 2014, 06:24:03 PM »

Gentlemen:
As you see in the above pictures I have a steel but plate and steel trigger guard for this rifle I going to try to build with your help. With the barrel I have a very knowledgeable builder told me this would make a great English Rifle or an Ohio Hawken Rifle.
Question should I use the steel trim or go with brass?
Also is the stock long enough for this barrel? It is about 15" of forearm, barrel is 37 1/2" long?
Also do I inlet the barrel first or the lock?

Thanks so much in advance.
Ray Pennington
South Point, Ohio

jamesthomas · « **Reply #42 on:** February 25, 2014, 07:02:16 PM »

I would find a full stock for it myself, that stock looks kinda short to me. Plus if you go with a half-stock you will have to put a under-rib on it. Also a full stock just looks better IMHO. Half stock rifles look uncompleted to me, IMHO again.
Go to Knob Mountain Muzzleloaders and check out the Hawken stocks he has, I would go with either Freds Full stock Hawken or the TH Hawken full stock myself. But from what folks say, its hard to do a Hawken "Correctly" if your a beginner. Oh yea, use the steel parts you have.

Longknife · « **Reply #43 on:** February 25, 2014, 07:38:02 PM »

Ray, I believe all the parts that you have were intended to build an iron mounted St. Louis Hawken. Look in your Track catalog and match up the parts you have. The Ohio and Vincent rifles were usually of smaller caliber and smaller over all size, the English rifles were shorter also and usually had a shorter fore stock, Again, look in Tracks catalog at the differences. Hawken half stock rifles did not have any specific lengths, I have seen them as short as 30" but I know of a couple that have barrels over forty inches. Most Hawken rifles built today have 34 to 36 inch barrels, your 37 1/2 would be correct, if you want to shorten it that would be fine too but I wouldn't go less than 36". The 15 inch fire end is just about right. You inlet the barrel, first. then the breech assy. Then secure the barrel in the stock with the wedges so it stays put while you assemble the rest. Lock would go next, then the triggers, after that its up to you. Here are some link that might interest you....LK

http://donstith.com/j_s_half_stock.html

http://www.thehawkenshop.com/hawken_history.htm

http://www.amazon.com/Building-a-Hawken-Rifle-Dvd/dp/B001JI1HK4

Here is a god book about gubuilding that will be of great help.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Gunsmith-Grenville-County-Longrifle/dp/1880655136

Ray Pennington · « **Reply #44 on:** February 25, 2014, 08:10:21 PM »

Thanks so much for the info!!! I hope all you guys know how much this greatly appreciated!!

Regards

Ray Pennington · « **Reply #45 on:** February 25, 2014, 08:13:17 PM »

Excuse my ignorance, but does the breech come off? If so, is it screwed?

Regards;

Ray Pennington · « **Reply #46 on:** February 25, 2014, 08:50:03 PM »

I just ordered the DVD and book.
Thanks Longknife

whitebear · « **Reply #47 on:** February 26, 2014, 12:26:18 AM »

Quote from: Mark Elliott on February 22, 2014, 07:33:08 AM

Ray,

I guess you could kinda fudge a transitional rifle (1760-1770) out of it or maybe a mid 19th century half stock. I am sure others will have some ideas.

What about a chunk gun?

Ray Pennington · « **Reply #48 on:** February 26, 2014, 01:46:17 AM »

White bear what is a Chunk Gun?
Ray Pennington

KLMoors · « **Reply #49 on:** February 26, 2014, 01:56:48 AM »

Ray, yes the breech should unscrew. Just in front of the "snail" (where the nipple screws in) you will see a faint line on the barrel. That is the joint between the breech and the rest of the barrel.

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