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frontier gander

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Ticking thicknesses/colors?
« on: March 15, 2014, 12:45:34 AM »
I bought a punch off ebay a few days ago for making my own precut patches and want to buy some ticking fabric. I have the blue/white already which mics out at .018" compressed. I see green - white & red - white ticking as well. Does anyone know a rough estimate of what the other 2 ticking fabics I mention, compress at? I want to say the green-white was .016" but am not sure.

I also see black-white. I don't have a store around me thats sells this fabric so for me its very annoying not being able to get to it in person and take the measurements. I see orange - white as well which would be great on the range for finding them easier.

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Re: Ticking thicknesses/colors?
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2014, 01:13:44 AM »
The ticking fabrics in my closet are:

Dark Blue/Blk:   .026 uncompressed,   .019 pressing on the caliper jaws

Purple or light Blue:   .025  "               .017

Red                           .022                  .016

I don't know how much consistency there is in thickness for a given color between manufacturers.

And for reference, with my calipers a dime measures .052 thick.

Some of the online fabric stores (e.g. onlinefabricstore.net ) will sell you a   sample swath for a $1 or $1.50, which might give you a better idea what you're getting and allow you to check thickness both before and after washing.

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Re: Ticking thicknesses/colors?
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2014, 01:45:52 AM »
You can't go by colors, you have to measure each one.

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« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2014, 03:22:35 AM »
You can't go by colors, you have to measure each one.

I've found that to be the case also.  Take your trusty calipers or micrometer to the local fabric store and measure the fabric on the bolt.  Being a proponent of thick patching material I prefer patches in the .022 to .023 (compressed) range.  I find that available in 10 or 11 ounce denim or light canvas material, but never in ticking.

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Re: Ticking thicknesses/colors?
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2014, 03:39:17 AM »
Buy a yard of whatever ticking you like and put it through the wash. That gets rid of the sizing and preservatives and thickens it up a bit. It will gain a few thousandths, generally.

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Re: Ticking thicknesses/colors?
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2014, 04:15:13 AM »
Most on-line fabric dealers will mail you samples of fabrics you are interested in purchasing. If you can't get yourself in to a fabric store with your micrometer, that may be your best option.
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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2014, 08:34:08 AM »
You can't go by colors, you have to measure each one.

I've found that to be the case also.  Take your trusty calipers or micrometer to the local fabric store and measure the fabric on the bolt.  Being a proponent of thick patching material I prefer patches in the .022 to .023 (compressed) range.  I find that available in 10 or 11 ounce denim or light canvas material, but never in ticking.

Colors have nothing to do with thickness, and even the same colors from a different bolt a year from now will be different.
If there isn't ticking then like already said check denim, or just drive to the big city to get ticking if you think you just have to have it.
Ticking is far from the Alpha and Omega of patching material, it just a modern day wife's tail,
You have Dutches papers, re-read them,, you might get those groups to tighten up.

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Re: Ticking thicknesses/colors?
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2014, 08:56:12 AM »
i dont like cutting at the muzzle, to long to reload with and messy to say the least.

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Re: Ticking thicknesses/colors?
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2014, 05:40:32 PM »
I agree with most of the other evaluations of patch material listed. I however got rid of my patch punch ages ago, in favor of a worn out hole saw with the teeth ground off, and the edge sharpened. You can chuck this baby up in your drill press, fold the ticking, and make a zillion patches in no time.

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Re: Ticking thicknesses/colors?
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2014, 10:27:29 PM »
There doesn't seem to be anything close to uniformity in ticking.  For a long time I used a blue stripe (I measure with a caliper) that compressed to .015" to .016" and still use this thickness in a couple of guns.  Later I found blue ticking that felt and measured much thicker.  After washing and measuring I got .034" uncompressed and .024" compressed.  That stuff is excellent!  I found some more later on that was brown striped and and again compressed to .024".  I'd also used red before that compressed to .015".  A yard of the newest red stripe measured .014" compressed but was very "open weave" compared with other ticking.  I'm not even sure it will be suitable for patches.  Yes, you do have to measure ALL ticking while in the store and before you buy.
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Re: Ticking thicknesses/colors?
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2014, 02:40:25 PM »
I always carry a pair of mikes to the fabric store. The only cloth that seems to be the same every trip is the 10oz denum at 0.022" thickness WITH MY MIKES. The ticking seems to vary quite a bit and color cannot be relied upon. I have also noticed very little change in thickness before/after washing, just softening and an increase in adsorption of the cloth.
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Re: Ticking thicknesses/colors?
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2014, 05:48:05 AM »
well its a good thing i didnt buy any material. My patch punch sucks butt and wont cut through the material. Will look into either sharpening it myself or take it to the local machine shop. What a bummer.

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Re: Ticking thicknesses/colors?
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2014, 07:02:09 PM »
An arch punch, as purchased, will not cut through cloth.  Ånd it's important to have the right material under the cloth too.  I have a 1 1/2" thick block of plastic - same material cutting boards are made from, from our local plastic shop, and courtesy of my great brother.  I carefully sharpen my punches on the belt sander until I have a uniform and thin edge, and then polish it inside and out.  I glides through sixteen layers of denim, and stays sharp for a very long time, even when I loaned it out.  Loaning out tools like this is a bad idea, unless you trust the borrower unreservedly. 
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Re: Ticking thicknesses/colors?
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2014, 08:25:56 PM »
HA!- thought he said undeservedly - ha!  Yeah - like Taylor said, SHARP arch punch over High Density Polyethylene (HDP in the US) (UHMW in Canada), or large ball bearing and a bearing race.

UHMW means Ultra-high Molecular Weight - same thing - high density poly. It is the material used for butcher's cutting boards as well as bearings for chain-guides in lumber mills.

The material that is coloured, cannot be used for butcher blocks- here.  All scrap produced during the MFG process, is run back through again and the Canadian Government calls that 'used' and demands a die be introduced due to the possibility of that material, once hitting the floors, being contaminated - thus cannot be used for butcher blocks or cutting boards, but works splendidly for cutting patches or bed for running chains in a mill.

I picked up a couple black blocks, 1 1/2" thick X about 10" square for $10.00 each - one for my bro, of course.  After cutting thousands of patches, still going strong.

Some cloth will lose thickness after washing (denim) (I run it through the wash cycle it twice) while others will gain a thou or two- like some of the ticking's I've used.  Other cloth simply remains the same.

I suspect the material we called Railroad mattress ticking, that measured .0235" for me with one set of calipers, is actually a thin canvas, but a fairly closely knit one.

Measuring patches 101.

I have 3 sets of dial calipers - I have one set of Sterrit vernier calipers.

My Vernier calipers measure the same as one of my sets off dia, which the other 2 caliper measure thicker. It's all in how wide the jaws are, I assume. They ALL measure identically on a hard surface- no change there - but I get 3 different thicknesses when measuring cloth.  My mic measures .001" thinner than my thinnest measuring calipers - WHICH- depending on WHAT cloth is being measured, can be up to .004" thinner than the calipers that measure the thickest.

Add technique into that, and it's hard to say what thickness ANYONE's patches are - use what works for you and record what YOUR tools say it measures.

I find 10 ounce denim to be quite consistent and actually shoots in EVERY rifle I've ever tried it in, with a ball that is .010" to .005" under bore size - OR larger  - no matter what the rifling depth happens to be.  For me, the deeper the rifling, the larger the ball.  If it isn't compressing (by measurements) in the bottom of the grooves, it's too thin -- for me.

Ox Yoke .018" in the plastic bag - for me, mics .0145" to .015" - it is too thin for my use, in any of my rifles.
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Re: Ticking thicknesses/colors?
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2014, 08:31:29 PM »
I simply cut squares and use them. I have not noticed that my gun cares whether they are round or square. But I am not a competition shooter.

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Re: Ticking thicknesses/colors?
« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2014, 07:43:35 PM »
I'm with Ken! My barrel don't know or care how many corners the patch has.
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Re: Ticking thicknesses/colors?
« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2014, 12:02:31 AM »
I use the stripes to cut uniform strips that are easily cut into squares.  Faster than it sounds.
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« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2014, 12:35:26 AM »
I simply cut squares and use them. I have not noticed that my gun cares whether they are round or square. But I am not a competition shooter.

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Re: Ticking thicknesses/colors?
« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2014, 04:17:52 PM »
Be careful that you are buying 100% cotton. Some ticking contains polyester.

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Re: Ticking thicknesses/colors?
« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2014, 09:56:40 PM »
Some ticking is too weak to use as patches. I ended up throwing out much of may last buys of this stuff. Try tearing it down the stripe before buying. I checked every bolt I found for several months in Billings and Bozeman fabric stores and it was ALL to weak.

So I use linen or denim.

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Re: Ticking thicknesses/colors?
« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2014, 08:02:48 PM »
My favorite patch material for many years has been striped & flowered vintage pillow ticking at around .020 thick. It has a much higher thread count than normal blue striped ticking, making it smoother, and it resists tearing and burnout better.
I used to find it at fabric shops, but it was discontinued in these parts. These days I have to find it on FleEbay, and it is getting too expensive to justify. When my supply runs out I will go back to blue stripe ticking which I have a big supply of.
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