Author Topic: TOW Bucks County Rifle Kit Update #29 & #30  (Read 9880 times)

Offline Firelock

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TOW Bucks County Rifle Kit Update #29 & #30
« on: March 27, 2014, 03:38:36 PM »
These are the last two videos covering this build. It has been a 15 month process, and I'm sure most of the membership here is long since sick of seeing it. But, finally it is done.

Update #29 covers stock finishing and sight installation.



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Re: TOW Bucks County Rifle Kit Update #29 & #30
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2014, 01:22:42 AM »
Hey Firelock.  I enjoyed no. 29 but can not find no. 30.
Quality, schedule, price; Pick any two.

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Re: TOW Bucks County Rifle Kit Update #29 & #30
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2014, 01:36:10 AM »
Sorry, I haven't put it up yet. Probably tomorrow night. When I do I'll post it on this thread.

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Re: TOW Bucks County Rifle Kit Update #29 & #30
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2014, 01:58:11 AM »
Firelock, If putting your build process on you tube encourages non longrifle enthusiasts to be intersted in longrifles and know that building one is possible than that can only be  a good thing. Finding Chuck Dixon's book 20 or so years ago did that for me.

My concern has always been the advertisement of the build description as TOW Bucks County. You have to understand people watching this can only think this is what a Bucks County rifle is. Maybe that's a refection on your effort to research what you were building and the TOW kit. Your build lacks Bucks County characteristics and I think with some research, even with the limitations of the kit, it could have been a better representation of BC, regardless of your skill level ( which is not bad ).
 
It's a fine looking rifle overall to a non discerable eye but for one who really cares about details I think it could have been better.



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Re: TOW Bucks County Rifle Kit Update #29 & #30
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2014, 04:46:58 AM »
Tom, I totally agree. Some BC touches, like the huge tails on the entry thimbles, really are beyond my skills. Likewise, I wanted to do fleur de Lise finials on the lock molding, but chickened out, and wisely so, because I didn't even do a good job on the beaver tails(only the second time I attempted them).

Other things I think I could have done, and should have. For instance, I could have re-shaped the return on the TOW butt plate into a thumbnail. If I had it to do over again I would. Ditto the end of the trigger guard. And I should have used a screw to secure the back of the TG rather than a pin.

I didn't realize at the time that BC nose caps are open ended or I'd have done that.

When I started the build I had Shumway's "Longrifle's of Note" but I didn't have "Rifles of Colonial America" until a few months ago. So I learned some things too late in the game to get them into the build.

Hopefully, the next rifle I make will benefit from the learning process.

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Re: TOW Bucks County Rifle Kit Update #29 & #30
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2014, 11:35:39 AM »
This is Update #30, the final installment in the Bucks County flintlock rifle build series. It has been a 15 month project, and frankly, I'm happy to see the end of it.

Thanks to all of you who followed it since the beginning.


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Re: TOW Bucks County Rifle Kit Update #29 & #30
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2014, 11:50:21 AM »
Some pictures for those who don't watch videos








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Re: TOW Bucks County Rifle Kit Update #29 & #30
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2014, 11:53:27 AM »
It took me 15 months, but the Bucks County Kit build is finally done, and I learned some lessons along the way. This was my first build in 23 years, and when I started it, I wasn’t trying to make a rifle I could be proud of. I just wanted to make a rifle that I wouldn’t be ashamed of…which is quite a different thing.

I’d made a dozen rifles in the past, and I hadn’t liked any of them, which is why it had been so long since my last build. But I guess I learned a couple of things over the intervening decades. Not only am I not ashamed of this rifle, but I’m actually pretty proud of it…despite its many faults.

I know that some of you have taken me to task over calling it the “Track of the Wolf Bucks County flintlock rifle kit”.

You feel that I am mis-leading the uninformed into thinking that what I built is faithful rendition of the rifles built in Bucks County, Pennsylvania in the 1790 to 1810 period, when, in fact,  my rifle has precious few actual Bucks County features.

I understand how you feel, but, let’s face it, I had to call it something, and “Generic Novice Flintlock” lacks cachet. The fact is, I purchased Track’s Buck’s County flintlock rifle kit, and that’s what I built. If it didn’t come out looking like Andrew Verner built it himself, the fault has to be shared between both the folks at TOW and myself.

On the TOW side of the ledger, their parts are pretty generic. They have few, if any, unique Bucks characteristics.

On my side of the ledger there are Bucks County features that are simply outside of my skill set, for instance the huge tails on many Bucks County entry thimbles are beyond my ability to make. Likewise I wanted to do fleur de lise finials on the lock molding, but I chickened out. That was a good thing because even simple beavertails were tough for me to make.   I also chipped out the wood on the Bucks style toe plate, so I replaced it with a straight toe plate. I wish I hadn’t messed that up.

But there are other things that I could have done better, and that I would do differently, if I were doing the build now. For instance, even though the TOW butt plate did not have a thumbnail finial on the return, I could have shaped one myself. I just didn’t think of it at the time. I would definitely do that, if I had it to do over. Also I should have used a screw, rather than a pin to secure the rear of the trigger guard. I also wish I’d cut off the front of the end cap to make an open end cap, but I was ignorant of that feature at the time.

I didn’t make the patchbox myself, but, if I had it to do over, I’d have cut it down to a narrower configuration.

And, most of all, I wish I’d never let that forstner bit kick out and chew up the stock…man, I really wish that hadn’t happened.

For those of you who watched the video series from the beginning, Thanks for sticking with it.

I never planned on doing a detailed, step by step build series. I thought an un-boxing video would be interesting, and maybe another half way through the project, and one after it was built. But it didn’t work out that way.

A few times I just stopped posting videos because, based on the lack of feedback, I didn’t think anyone was really watching. But then I’d get emails asking me when the next video was going to come out, and that would motivate me to edit the footage, and put one out. So thanks for keeping me motivated.

The next project will be a .40 caliber Lehigh County rifle. Hopefully I’ll do a little bit better on it than I did on this one.



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Re: TOW Bucks County Rifle Kit Update #29 & #30
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2014, 03:40:40 PM »
It looks fine to me no matter how much or how little time it took.
I have a half stock "English"style flintlock under construction but
due to lock work for others,I haven't had the time to devote to
making my own lock from the better reject parts I have laying
around."Some day"I keep saying to myself.

Bob Roller

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Re: TOW Bucks County Rifle Kit Update #29 & #30
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2014, 03:46:43 PM »
I never watched one of your videos. Sorry. It's not because I had no interest in your project but because I have limited internet access and pay by the megabyte. I do like looking at any muzzle loading gun images, even those I have no interest in their style. I'm a fowler kinda guy. Anyway, you made a good looking gun.
A critique. I don't know what these are suppose to look like but I'd think the screw heads on the lock screws would be more domed. Easily done with a drill motor & file and less clunky looking. I countersink a couple tang screws on side plates so they are flush with the plate. Just a little thing.
« Last Edit: March 29, 2014, 03:51:03 PM by Keb »

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Re: TOW Bucks County Rifle Kit Update #29 & #30
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2014, 08:12:27 PM »
Thanks for the tip Keb.

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Re: TOW Bucks County Rifle Kit Update #29 & #30
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2014, 09:23:34 PM »
Mike, I don't think you have a thing to apologize for.  I got the impression from the outset that you confessed to limited knowledge and skill, and that this was basically, a build as a first timer.  Your disclaimers right off set that tone, and people who enjoyed the series understood where you were coming from.  I did, and I applaud you for your tenacity, and for the final product - nothing to be ashamed of there.  It was generous of you to take the considerable time and effort to document the build, and working under those parameters must have been a bugger.  When I do a build for a friend, I always take a series of photos to show the process, and give a DVD to him/her when I'm done, as a record of the build.  That is quite another thing from working under the limited field of a video camera, and on a Work Mate - yikes!!
So, good on ya, mate.  And thank you.
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Re: TOW Bucks County Rifle Kit Update #29 & #30
« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2014, 10:22:23 PM »
Mike...

The burning question now is HOW DOES SHE SHOOT?

When you get the chance to sight her in and see how she handles let us know. Forget all the trials and could have beens, that is now history - simply enjoy the rifle you worked so hard to create.

Also, If you play with her long enough she'll tell you her name...  :D

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Re: TOW Bucks County Rifle Kit Update #29 & #30
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2014, 04:55:21 AM »
Congrats on finishing your rifle it turned out very nice! I've enjoyed your video's and hope you plan to video again with your next build.

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« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2014, 07:38:52 AM »
 Mike,

As a first time builder I thank you for your videos.  I've learned from them, and the bad breaks have been a help as well.  I think your rifle turned out very well.  I'm looking forward to your Lehigh build.  Again, thank you.
 Bud.

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Re: TOW Bucks County Rifle Kit Update #29 & #30
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2014, 01:35:42 PM »
      As one who has built a fair number of Bucks Co. rifles and has made considerable effort to study every original I have had an opportunity to handle, I cringed at some of the details you ignored or trampled over.  I saw you seemingly ignore good advice when given on details, i.e butt plate, patchbox opening mechanism etc. and I pretty well wrote the project off.
      Yesterday I happened upon photos my first Bucks Co. build, and surprise, surprise it was not a lot unlike yours!   So I congratulate you on completing your first rifle.  It is kind of like learning to swim.  you jump in flail around and it you make it to the other side of the krick, it is swimming.   
       Now that you have started your education into Bucks Co. rifles, you might want to  forget the Lehigh project.  Lehigh Co. rifles are about the hardest to really get right.  Heck, even some of the early Lehigh Co. builders didn't get the architecture right.  I would suggest that you build another Bucks Co. rifle and this time build upon what you learned on the last project.  Study, and handle originals, there is usually one or two at most gun shows.  Strive to capture the "essence" of the originals,  narrow your scope and build excellence.   
Best of luck
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Re: TOW Bucks County Rifle Kit Update #29 & #30
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2014, 02:39:24 PM »
I also want to thank you for sticking with the entire series as you have done.  I seem to learn more from seeing how others deal with issues as a build progresses.  You did that with your series.  I am also working on a first build that is a TOW kit that is even more generic than yours.  My build is now approaching it's second birthday due to my job and other commitments.  My chances of producing a rifle that will meet the content and quality standards of our members are very low, but that's okay.  I didn't start out to build a bench copy of a rifle, so however she turns out will be fine with me.  I'm learning this as I go and absorbing as much as I can here, so hopefully my next build will be better.  I feel you were very upfront and honest about what you were going to build and the methods that you used.  I am sure that you have opened up our hobby to a much broader audience with your video series.  Thanks again, and great work!

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Re: TOW Bucks County Rifle Kit Update #29 & #30
« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2014, 05:40:01 PM »
Mike,
I've watched most of your build a long as you've progressed, and I agree with what RA said. On several counts.

First of all, the effort to chronicle all of this. That's a lot of work.
Second, the first build.... I still occasionally see my first. While I'll never claim it, it is still out there shooting after 20+ years
Third, stay away from the Lehigh. Work more towards making a better Bucks Co first. They are beautiful guns, and have some similarities to the Lehighs.

Listen to these guys, study original work, make the best Bucks you can make! People like Lucky RA, Allen Martin,Taylor, will not steer you wrong.
Welcome to my addition.
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« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2014, 10:38:30 PM »
Mike, as a novice I would like to thank you for putting in the effort to film your build and for having the courage to show the bad with the good. Its really useful to be able to say "Yes, I could do that... and that...  and... " I always thought I would be able to manage, and now I know. Its also useful to realise that, while the quality of my end result will depend on my skills and also on my research efforts, its possible to take a kit of parts and just assemble them into a perfectly useable gun. That's probably a very good thing for promoting interest in shooting black powder guns.
Well done!

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« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2014, 01:57:04 AM »
Thanks Mike, I have totally enjoyed the videos.  I learned more from your videos than any other I have seen.  Helped get me through this past winter.  Can't wait for the range video.

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« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2014, 02:45:12 AM »
I also want to thank you for sticking with the entire series as you have done.  I seem to learn more from seeing how others deal with issues as a build progresses.  You did that with your series.  I am also working on a first build that is a TOW kit that is even more generic than yours.  My build is now approaching it's second birthday due to my job and other commitments.  My chances of producing a rifle that will meet the content and quality standards of our members are very low, but that's okay.  I didn't start out to build a bench copy of a rifle, so however she turns out will be fine with me.  I'm learning this as I go and absorbing as much as I can here, so hopefully my next build will be better.  I feel you were very upfront and honest about what you were going to build and the methods that you used.  I am sure that you have opened up our hobby to a much broader audience with your video series.  Thanks again, and great work!

I got ya beat. Worked on one in my spare time from 2007-2014 when I messed up the buttplate inlet. Now granted I also was working on a trade musket and other modern firesticks at the same time.
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« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2014, 05:05:23 AM »
Mike,

  Have followed this from the beginning and thought you did an A+ job on the videos. Your experience has really helped me in several areas and it is appreciated. I am just starting a LR after a 30-year absence from such a project. Never got through the first one, as after all the inletting was done, the movers broke the stock on the way to the next assignment.  So, it went on my bucket list when I retired.

  One question I have (and sorry if I missed it somewhere), what did you use to stain it?

  Thanks again for a great series,

    - Veep

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Re: TOW Bucks County Rifle Kit Update #29 & #30
« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2014, 05:09:21 AM »
I used Homer Dangler's reddish brown stain.

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« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2014, 12:33:14 PM »
At long last...here is the firing video of the completed Track of the Wolf Bucks County Flintlock rifle kit. I'm not sure if this is appropriate for this forum, but folks here watched the build in progress, and I thought you might want to see if it actually works...


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Re: TOW Bucks County Rifle Kit Update #29 & #30
« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2014, 02:21:38 PM »
Mike,
I enjoyed the whole project.  You are to be congratulated on the effort to video your build.  Alao A+ on developing a thick skin  ;)
Thank you,
Kevin