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Offline David R. Pennington

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pistol design
« on: June 01, 2014, 03:37:25 PM »
 Picked up a nice bronze octagon to round pistol barrel, 10 inches long, .54 caliber. I haven't studied pistols much. Looking for advice on what type, era, style this would build to. What type lock, furniture etc...,.? I have cherry, maple and a burly piece of black walnut root that I could use for stock wood. Any advice from the experts here to guide me toward a historically correct piece would be appreciated.
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Re: pistol design
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2014, 04:03:18 PM »
  You cant  go  too  far  wrong  with  making  a  pattern  off  an  original,  projectors  are  great  for  this if  you  have  a  known  measurement to  work  off  of and  I  need  to  get  one myself  as  I've  been  leaning  on a patient  friend   to  make  patterns for  me :)   It's  an  awesome  tool.  Although  you  still  might  have  to  modify  it  for  your particular barrel  and  lock, it'll  get  you  close.
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Offline D. Taylor Sapergia

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Re: pistol design
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2014, 08:35:49 PM »
The English Pistol book by Johnson is a good source for inspiration.
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Offline Dave B

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Re: pistol design
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2014, 11:07:38 PM »
I can second the English pistols book recomendation. it is inexpensive and has barrel dimensions so you have a reference point to reproduce the exact scale of the pistol.
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Re: pistol design
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2014, 11:36:56 PM »
I have built a dozen or more pistols and have the patterns for most. If you are interested, I can copy them and send to you for a reasonable fee of nothing. Just a way of supporting our interests and encouraging other builders.
Let me know,
Dan Brawner
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Bible Totin Gun Slinger

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Re: pistol design
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2014, 03:56:27 PM »
We just saw this show about Black Beard, and I forget who pulled out this Pistol in the show but it was cool, wished I could post a pic.
It was finished with like nickel and polished, and the wood was black.
I did my first  Kentucky pistol with black stain,,,Only problem I had was it faded so fast.
A "D" ring on the butt, for a sling, wished I could post a pic.
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Re: pistol design
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2014, 03:31:08 AM »
Hi Dave,
My preference would be a nice English holster pistol.  I believe the pair made for George Washington by Hawkins of London had brass barrels.  They are attractive pistols.  They are pictured in Neuman's Battle Weapons of the American Revolution.  Also, in Norman Dixon's "Georgian Pistols" there are photos of several beautiful brass barreled holster pistols by Joseph Heylin of London.  One more idea, Dave, and this is just my personal preference, but I don't really like the profiles of many of the modern made octagon-round pistol barrels.  I particularly don't like those on which the octagon portion is too long and does not taper very much.  On a brass barrel, I would be tempted to file off the wedding band and gradually turn the rounded portion into octagon flats starting at about 2/3s of the distance from the muzzle.  That gives a very pleasing profile.

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Offline fm tim

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Re: pistol design
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2014, 05:26:19 PM »
For a different perspective:

US Martial Single Shot Pistols
Hartzler & Whisker
Old Bedford Village Press
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« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2014, 05:52:00 PM »
And for another perspective:
Boutet.  This example is full octagon but is inspirational.  I have a complete series of photos of this one if anyone is interested.  It is one of a pair sold by WWW.IMA-USA.COM



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Offline Acer Saccharum

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Re: pistol design
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2014, 06:29:15 PM »
That's almost a Siler lock on that Boutet.
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« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2014, 07:02:17 PM »
Quote from: Acer Saccharum on June 06, 2014, 06:29:15 PM
That's almost a Siler lock on that Boutet.


Almost identical!  Length is precisely the same.  My next build but with a Damascus barrel.
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Re: pistol design
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2014, 07:07:49 PM »
I thought all the new locks were copied from originals?

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Re: pistol design
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2014, 10:48:34 PM »
Quote from: JTR on June 06, 2014, 07:07:49 PM
I thought all the new locks were copied from originals?

John

Some are almost exact copies, some are inspired by, and some loosely based on original locks.
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Re: pistol design
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2014, 11:42:27 PM »
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Offline Dave B

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Re: pistol design
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2014, 07:54:47 AM »
More than likely it was converted back to flint with Siler parts. The cock I would swear is a Siler casting along with the top jaw screw due to its profile. I could be wrong but it is a dead ringer for one. That being said Bud Siler made his lock from an original that he had gotten a hold of to make his patterns based off of. Could this be the one? I do like the finial on the feather spring.
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Re: pistol design
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2014, 04:13:50 AM »



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Here are some pictures of the barrel. What style, period?

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Re: pistol design
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2014, 02:51:22 AM »
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Re: pistol design
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2014, 03:51:07 AM »
The Lancaster Long Rifle book has a set on page 121
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Re: pistol design
« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2014, 03:54:28 AM »
 I studied Boutet guns for over 30 years and that pistol doesn't look like any Boutet gun I ever saw. The only thing that looks correct is maybe the trigger and the entre thimble. MAYBE
  I think Dave is kidding us. He makes about as good a pistol as I  have seen.
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