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Offline Rolf

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I'm  working on drawings/plans for a pair of english style duellers. I'm thinking of using either Ed Rayles 10" octagon swamped barrel or his 10" octagon to round swamped barrel.I've heard about the barrels, but never seen them.

Please could someone post pictures?


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Re: Please, could someone post pictures of Ed rayl's swamped pistol barrels?
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2009, 02:18:30 AM »
Hi Rolfkt,
Sure.  Below are some photos.  It is hard taking photos right now because the lighting is really poor especially for photgraphing shiny metal.  Hopefully you will see what you need to see.  The barrel length is 10" and the caliber is 50.  It is 1" wide at the breech.  Rayl's pistol barrel balances very well.

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Re: Please, could someone post pictures of Ed rayl's swamped pistol barrels?
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2009, 03:11:15 AM »
I did not know Ed would make hooked breeches.  What is the measurement at the waist and the muzzle?  Nice engraving.


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Re: Please, could someone post pictures of Ed rayl's swamped pistol barrels?
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2009, 05:26:13 AM »
It all looks great!  ...an excellent English pistol - Wogdon is my first guess.  The engraving is crisp and sweet.  What lock is that?
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Re: Please, could someone post pictures of Ed rayl's swamped pistol barrels?
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2009, 06:56:37 AM »
Nice looking pistol barrel. Wow.  Ed does great work. He made several barrel sets for me that have fitted hooked breaches that will fit two barrels,one smooth bore the other rifled. They are perfectly fit and change out smoothly. I belive the one you see on this pistol barrel is the english fowler breach. Mine are the same design with a plug that has a squared off lug vs a patent breach.They work well.

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Re: Please, could someone post pictures of Ed rayl's swamped pistol barrels?
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2009, 07:51:53 AM »
Dave P - Nice work!  Beauty of a pistol 8).................Lynn
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Re: Please, could someone post pictures of Ed rayl's swamped pistol barrels?
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2009, 12:33:58 PM »
Beautiful pistol. I really liked the engraving on the hooked breech. Were hooked breeches normally used on duellers? Ed Rayl's swamped octagon barrels look really graceful. I'm sorely tempted to order a pair. Thanks for the pictures Dave.

Does anybody have of picture of the swamped octagon to round barrels?

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« Last Edit: February 07, 2009, 12:35:49 PM by Rolfkt »

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Re: Please, could someone post pictures of Ed rayl's swamped pistol barrels?
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2009, 01:26:51 PM »
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Were hooked breeches normally used on duellers?
yes - both hooked and patent (after 1787 for the later of course)
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Re: Please, could someone post pictures of Ed rayl's swamped pistol barrels?
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2009, 09:35:00 PM »
 Here is a set of Oct-Rnd that Ed made for me, they are very well done.

Tim C.



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Re: Please, could someone post pictures of Ed rayl's swamped pistol barrels?
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2009, 10:04:59 PM »
Rolfkt, Taylor, Ezra, and Lynn,
Thank you for the compliments.  The pistol is one of a pair that are close to completion.  The other is almost identical except the engraving on the trigger guard and butt cap is slightly different. I am still engraving it.  The lock is from Blackley's and is a copy of a Wogdon lock.  I modeled the guns after Wogdon as well as I could having never actually handled a Wogdon and knowing them only from pictures.  Ezra and Rolfkt, the barrel dimensions are 1" (25mm) at the breech, 0.75" (19mm) at the waist, and 0.8" (20.5mm) at the muzzle, and weigh about 1lb.  They are 50 cal and rifled.  The hook breech is just one of the flint hook breech castings offered from TOW that I modified heavily.  The finish on Rayl's barrels was very good inside and out when I received them.  Based on my research into English dueling pistols, I would say the barrels are appropriate for pistols made between 1770 and 1800.  Someone really anal for historical accuracy might want to reduce the swamp a tiny bit and of course remove the rifling (although some duelers were rifled, even secretly) but I am only partly anal so I didn't change anything.  Most later duelers seem to have had heavier barrels with less swamp and often they were simply tapered.  All of the original pistols that I have handled were made that way.  I didn't like the feel of any of them.  The Rayl swamped barrels make well balanced pistols when combined with a good stock shape such as Wogdon's.  They lock into place.  I could really shoot somebody with those pistols, but rest assured, I may be anal but I am not postal.   

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Re: Please, could someone post pictures of Ed rayl's swamped pistol barrels?
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2009, 12:43:44 AM »
Too cool...I love the folding rule for the sizing of the barrels. Are we all living in the past or what?
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Re: Please, could someone post pictures of Ed rayl's swamped pistol barrels?
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2009, 02:06:52 AM »
I have one of Mr. Rayl's brass oct/round barrels in .62 smooth. It is an absolute delight. I put a silver face front sight on it [ ie big nose is the sight]  It points like it was an extension of my hand. Beautiful balance. The finish on the barrel is superb.

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Re: Please, could someone post pictures of Ed rayl's swamped pistol barrels?
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2009, 03:50:27 AM »
Very cool barrel!  Wow!  Me like!
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Re: Please, could someone post pictures of Ed rayl's swamped pistol barrels?
« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2009, 06:43:19 PM »
Hi Rolfkt,
Apparently no one has pictures of the octagon-round barrel that you are looking for.  Go to http://www.stonewallcreekoutfitters.com and click on "barrels" and then select "Rayl barels".  They have some drawings of the different pistol barrels including the 10" octagon-round barrel tha I am sure you are thinking of.  Those barrels would be fine for an early dueling pistol (1765-1780?) but is seems that almost everyone adopted the octagon barrels during the heyday of true dueling pistols.

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Re: Please, could someone post pictures of Ed rayl's swamped pistol barrels?
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2009, 12:32:42 AM »
Dave,
I've looked at the drawings at Stonewall creek outfitters. They don't give a really good impression of what the barrels look like. Your octagon swamped barrel looks a lot more graceful than the drawing.

If I chose a octagon to round swamped barrel, I 'd like something like the barrel used on this pistol by Bob Harn  http://contemporarymakers.blogspot.com/2008/09/bob-harn-pistol.html
I like the prominent wedding band. On some of the other barrels I've seen, the wedding band seems much lower than the octagon portion of the barrel.
Does anybody know who made this barrel?

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Re: Please, could someone post pictures of Ed rayl's swamped pistol barrels?
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2009, 04:57:21 AM »
Here is a set of Oct-Rnd that Ed made for me, they are very well done.

Tim C.




Now those are the neatest barrels I have seen in a long time.


I wonder if they were laid out using the golden mean?  :P

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Re: Please, could someone post pictures of Ed rayl's swamped pistol barrels?
« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2019, 03:24:09 AM »
You have built a gorgeous pair of pistols. Swamping taper of the barrel is elegant.

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Re: Please, could someone post pictures of Ed rayl's swamped pistol barrels?
« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2019, 04:45:59 AM »
Nicely swamped barrels. Imagine having a pair! SPECIAL
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Re: Please, could someone post pictures of Ed rayl's swamped pistol barrels?
« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2019, 06:08:16 AM »
Hi,
Here is the pair of pistols.  The Rayl barrels were just right in profile.  They are rifled on these pistols but I believe are available smooth bored as well, which is more correct for British duelers (with some famous exceptions).





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Re: Please, could someone post pictures of Ed rayl's swamped pistol barrels?
« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2019, 05:34:29 PM »
Beautiful boxed set, Dave.  You always do such fine work, and I expect to see them in a museum some place.

Truly worthy of a duel!
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