I think that removing the barrel for cleaning, or any other reason, is not for everyone. Your remark, Tom, about taking great care, is the difference. Unfortunately, there are those who don't have that same ethic, eye sight, or ability, and the result is a punch that misses the pin, and creates a walloon in the side of the stock, that just gets worse. I cut my pins a little shorter than the width of the forearm, and they always go in from the same side as the lock nails. That way, they always come out the same way, and on the lock side, there is a pin sized hole for the punch to enter without having to contact the end of the pin. But even so, I have had my rifles back in the shop and found that somehow, the pin punch has created a hollow and the end of the pin becomes elusive. Barrel keys or slides work for that type ...