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Offline Shreckmeister

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Thomas Hancock horn
« on: October 15, 2014, 03:59:11 AM »
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Re: Thomas Hancock horn
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2014, 04:28:29 AM »
There is a sucker born every minute but it doesn't help the situation any when evilbay turns a blind eye to this sort of fraud.
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Re: Thomas Hancock horn
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2014, 03:23:48 PM »
You mean it's not genuine  :o  Awwww, darn it!
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Re: Thomas Hancock horn
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2014, 04:16:36 PM »
Bull,  I don't see any possible way for Ebay to police the products on their online auction any more
than an auctioneer at my local venue.  If someone doesn't deliver the product they do have recourse
for that, but it's buyer beware.  Ebay can't have experts on all products.  Personally, I have found many great deals on Ebay over the years and I'm glad they exist.
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Re: Thomas Hancock horn
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2014, 04:57:07 PM »
The other issue that you run into is who is committing the fraud.  I recently went to a big antique event with a friend who is an expert in stone tools.  Half of what we saw were fakes.  We also saw booths that had fakes and authentic items mixed in together.  Most of the sellers didn't even know they were selling fakes.  They picked them up somewhere along the way at an auction or something. 

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Offline Bob Roller

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Re: Thomas Hancock horn
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2014, 08:16:56 PM »
 Pawn Stars on the "History"channel has an X-spurt for EVERY thing so why can't Ebay?

 Bob Roller
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Re: Thomas Hancock horn
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2014, 01:38:47 AM »
Interesting that I've never been taken by eBay sellers. I AM careful and skeptical though. I HAVE had two problems with Gunbroker sellers, both resolved by the admin, but at the cost of time and stress.
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Re: Thomas Hancock horn
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2014, 02:10:45 AM »
Antique guns page on Facebook has a rifle claimed to be made by Clark Gable's grandfather....
and the beat goes on.
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Offline Bull Shannon

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Re: Thomas Hancock horn
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2014, 02:45:22 AM »
EBay exists to make money and that's it. If they can prohibit the sales of firearms, even muzzle loaders, then they could at least post and enforce rules against blatant fraud and misrepresentation. That of course would cut into their profits and no one wants that.

At the very least they could require that anyone selling something as a rare antique/historically linked etc. provide documentation or provenance  that authenticates it as such.
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Re: Thomas Hancock horn
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2014, 03:41:40 AM »
Actually, I don't think the ad ever says the horn is old. It mostly describes the scrimshaw.

That's the best reason to think the horn is modern. If it really was authentic; they would be falling all over themselves telling how old it was and who made it.
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Re: Thomas Hancock horn
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2014, 04:19:21 AM »
The starting bid was just a tad to high for me!
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Re: Thomas Hancock horn
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2014, 01:54:20 PM »
It's a curious horn.  It has the appearance that the work around the plug end and spout end
are original and the boston stuff has been added.  Looks like the boston stuff was engraved with
a different tool.  Hate to think somebody took a nice old horn and did that.
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Re: Thomas Hancock horn
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2014, 07:15:25 PM »
Quote from: okawbow on October 16, 2014, 03:41:40 AM
Actually, I don't think the ad ever says the horn is old. It mostly describes the scrimshaw.

That's the best reason to think the horn is modern. If it really was authentic; they would be falling all over themselves telling how old it was and who made it.

Okawbow beat me to the punch, as I was going to mention the same thing.  Part of the game with SOME less reputable sellers on eBay and other places, is their wording in their advertising.  eBay always seems to get the blame over the ignorance of SOME buyers.  I buy quite a bit of things off eBay, and have never had a bad experience as of yet, but I investigate and use caution before buying or bidding on something.

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Offline Cory Joe Stewart

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Re: Thomas Hancock horn
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2014, 05:30:05 PM »
I saw a horn at an antique store recently that had engraving on it that was not as old as the horn.  I wondered if it was made for the centennial or bi-centennial.  It was still an interesting piece of folk art none the less.  I think the price is the biggest issue it is still a piece of art made by some craftsman like ourselves.  I have had customers ask me to engrave an older horn but I refuse to for those reasons.  I have also been suspicious of customers wanting to pass my work off as old which I why I always sign and date. 

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Re: Thomas Hancock horn
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2014, 06:30:19 PM »
I agree with Coryjoe about signing and dating your work. It is a must.
I think that 50 years ago or more, the idea of changing something on an original horn was mostly not given much thought. Many original guns were scrapped for parts to make new ones if they weren't in shootable condition. Values, collectibility, historical value, etc. are things that have changed a lot in the last century. The idea of making a quick buck by changing how old something appears to be is certainly not new. Just kind of new to our particular hobby. It's kind of irritating.

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