Painted type G

[Keb]

I really hate to bore you people but I just finished another Carolina gun. I painted the last 2 I made red so I wanted to do something you don't see every day.
It's a 28 gauge x 46" smooth bore, Davis early English lock, maple stock painted with Marigold Yellow milk paint & waxed. The rest of the sheet brass was formed in my shop except the pipes. I'm debating on whether to inlet the side plate & trigger guard. I'm not convinced the originals were inlet. I can believe they were pressed into the wood over time. I can always inlet them later, maybe.

[rich pierce]

I like it.  What does it weigh?

[Luke MacGillie]

IMHO, yes to the sideplate, no to the trigger guard.

[jrb]

Nice! one of these is on my want list, beech hopefully.
Who's barrel did you use and how much does it weigh?
I see you're in Ohio also,  i live up along the Sandusky. For what it's worth, there's a relic hunter who's found type G sideplates in Ohio.

[jamesthomas]

I really hate to bore you people but I just finished another Carolina gun. I painted the last 2 I made red so I wanted to do something you don't see every day.
It's a 28 gauge x 46" smooth bore, Davis early English lock, maple stock painted with Marigold Yellow milk paint & waxed. The rest of the sheet brass was formed in my shop except the pipes. I'm debating on whether to inlet the side plate & trigger guard. I'm not convinced the originals were inlet. I can believe they were pressed into the wood over time. I can always inlet them later, maybe.

 Sorry, but Bleech (Thumbs Down), , Paint it Red or Blue if you feel the need to paint it.

[David Rase]

I'm in agreement with Rich.  I like it.  It did take a couple of minutes to grow on me.  I would inlet the sideplate and add some inked vine work to it. 
David

[Keb]

The painted yellow gun is not everyone's cup of tea. I get that. I just like to do stuff that isn't commonly done even though there is evidence it is historically correct.

Everyone I've talked to says to inlet the side plate. I'm not convinced the sideplate should be inlet. I think after years of humidity changes and removing the lock by loosening & tightening the lock screws, the plates on relics certainly would be sunken into the wood. We just don't have any new old ones to compare. But that's just my unedgumacated guess.

The gun tips the scale at a mere 7 1/8 lbs. which is a little heavier than I expected. Maybe that yellow paint is heavier than red. The barrel is one of the last remaining Salvo barrels I have. I only have 3 more so I can paint the next ones blue, green and maybe white. I have painted 2 red so far so I probably won't make any more red ones.

[Tim Crosby]

 Looks Great! I like it.

   Tim C.

[T*O*F]

The painted yellow gun is not everyone's cup of tea.

Count me in on that.  The last time I saw that color it was in a baby's diaper.
I do like the gun itself though.

[Mike Brooks]

Good gun. Sideplates are inlet.

[whitebear]

You may be on to something there.  My second gun that I made was a 12 gauge flint shotgun.  I wanted to make it as cheaply as possible so I didn't use any kind of sideplate at all  Over the years the head of the lock bolts kept sinking into the wood and I would have to shorten them every three to five years.

[Lucky R A]

    Listen to Mike on inletting the sideplates.  There is too much surface area on the sideplate to pull into the wood from the pressure of the lock bolts.  To do it uniformly over the area of the sideplate would require more pressure than the lockbolts would take.   There is a lot of difference from the surface area of a lockbolt head and an entire sideplate.
Ron

[ken]

I like it , and it looks well made with good lines. Remember these were trade guns, the bread and butter back then. My trade gun the side plate is not inletted  and it was copied from an original.  nice work.. I am still thinking about the color, but I am also still learning

[James Rogers]

I would inlet the sideplate. I believe all extant examples will reveal tool tracks to substantiate and I also don't think that two or three lock bolts will pull a serpentine perfectly flush. I like these guns. I think it would be neat if someone made a grouping of these including a correct shipping crate for them.

[Mike Brooks]

I would inlet the sideplate. I believe all extant examples will reveal tool tracks to substantiate and I also don't think that two or three lock bolts will pull a serpentine perfectly flush. I like these guns. I think it would be neat if someone made a grouping of these including a correct shipping crate for them.

You order a crate of guns and I'd be pleased to fill your order....

[James Rogers]

Set myself up for that one ; )

[Keb]

I would inlet the sideplate. I believe all extant examples will reveal tool tracks to substantiate and I also don't think that two or three lock bolts will pull a serpentine perfectly flush. I like these guns. I think it would be neat if someone made a grouping of these including a correct shipping crate for them.

You order a crate of guns and I'd be pleased to fill your order....

Hahaha. Good one.

Maybe my thinking on inletting is flawed. Maybe I  didn't inlet it because I'm lazy?

[Luke MacGillie]

I would inlet the sideplate. I believe all extant examples will reveal tool tracks to substantiate and I also don't think that two or three lock bolts will pull a serpentine perfectly flush. I like these guns. I think it would be neat if someone made a grouping of these including a correct shipping crate for them.

Jim Caulley(sp?) did just that, had IIRC a dozen Type G's from both Jack and Mike Brooks in a proper packing crate and the whole 9 yards.  In a moment of weakness I sold him my Jack Brooks Type G and have regretted it ever since.  Then when he decided to quit carting it around I was overseas and missed my chance to buy it back

[mountainman70]

I would inlet the sideplate. I believe all extant examples will reveal tool tracks to substantiate and I also don't think that two or three lock bolts will pull a serpentine perfectly flush. I like these guns. I think it would be neat if someone made a grouping of these including a correct shipping crate for them.

You order a crate of guns and I'd be pleased to fill your order....

Gotta get money for the old truck builds!!!I like it,but I like big ol yella cars.Nice work.Dave

[shortbarrel]

Great off the wall rifle, good craftsmanship. North or South Carolina puzzles me.

[54ball]

 Simply Carolina shortbarrel.
 These guns were imported by the hundreds into southern ports namely Charlestown SC. These guns as well as many types of trade goods were dispersed to the western and southwestern tribes by "Carolina Traders" most of whom were of Scot or Scot Irish origin.

[54ball]

 Keb.
 That gun would look good spotted.

[54ball]

 IMHO the sideplate needs be inlet.





 I know these were cheap guns but evidence shows they were inlet and too the modern eye they look "very unfinished" if not inlet.

 These are fun guns here is what I did with my son's Smith Carolina.

[Levy]

I worked on a Carolina Gun (Type G) that was recovered from the Suwannee River here in FL (2005).  The sideplate was definitely let into the wood.  The ramrod pipes were about 5/16" and the tabs went into the barrel channel and were folded over (no pins).  The barrel was 46 1/2" and 24 gauge.  You could see the end of the ramrod behind the gunlock and it was tapered to a sharp point.  The lock was signed WILLIAMS and the gun was pre-1745 (according to the information that I found).

James Levy

[Mike Brooks]

Good worm Keb, now get out the chisels and inlet it. By the by, the t-guard finals should be curved to fit the curvature of the stock, but not inlet, in other words the finals are not flat like a casting....if you get my drift.