where can I get barrel sleeves?

[JB2]

If  I'm wanting to sleeve a set of SxS 12ga smoothbores down to .62 rifled, where would one get a pair...if one was so fool-heartedly inclined

thanks guys
jimb

[smokinbuck]

Sounds like you need to buy a couple .62 barrels and have them turned down. I'd check a couple of barrel makers for .62 barrel blanks.
Mark

[Dennis Glazener]

Sounds like you need to buy a couple .62 barrels and have them turned down. I'd check a couple of barrel makers for .62 barrel blanks.
Mark

I am not a machinist, only a self taught jack-leg one but I believe you will have problems with turning down a .62 caliber rifle barrel small enough to fit a 12 bore and not have the .62 rifling/bore move around on you i.e. inconsistent bore size in the .62. You had better check with a professional machinist/barrel maker before trying it.

Ed Ray or Charles Burton or Bobby Hoyt might have experience making these type sleeves.
Dennis

[kaintuck]

mr taylor of Taylor machinig can do just about anything.......
i do know he is backlogged just a tad~ but, say you were wanting a double barreled big bore..................he can do it~

marc n tomtom

[Jerry V Lape]

Not sure I have a clear picture of what you are wanting to do.  Sleeving in the double gun is a specific process wherein the barrels are cut off forward of the breech about 4 inches then a new barrel with a stub on the breech end fitted into what remains of the original breech.  Is this what you are looking to do - or are you looking for full length tubes that can be slipped into an existing set of barrels reducing them to .62 caliber?  In either case the best sleeving firm in USA is probably Briley's in Texas.  If  you are thinking of putting a liner into the full length of the 12ga you may have a problem because the 12ga bore is normally .729 plus or minus and the .620 rifle barrel will have .050 walls or a little less before you cut in the rifling grooves.  Those are going to be pretty thin and maybe inadequate to allow for insertion without damage.  Again Briley would be one place to get advice and I don't know if they would provide a rifled liner.  If I were doing this I would want a "Sleeve versus a tube/liner. 

[T*O*F]

In either case the best sleeving firm in USA is probably Briley's in Texas.

Yeah, and they get around $800 per tube the last time I looked several years ago.

[bob in the woods]

I believe that you will require 2 "liners" and will need to have the side by side existing barrels machined out as well.
Possible ? Sure.  Practical ?  Not unless money doesn't matter. 

[Don Getz]

I have a 12 ga. Browning skeet, and I sent them down to Briley and they made and fit
two 20 ga. full length skeet liners with screw in chokes.    If one could see how thin
those liners are you would quickly give up on the idea of having rifled liners made.....
Don

[JB2]

Kinda why I was asking, to see if it was practical.  And, no, I hadn't done the math in my head (ouch!).  Don't know why I was thinking .050" was more than 11 sheets of paper.  I guess that is a little thin!!  I was thinking of 'sleeving' an engine cylinder when the idea clouded my judgment.  

I have looked into making a set of barrels, and it looks like a pair of Baker Rifle .62 barrels would fit the bill off the shelf.  I'd only have to put em together, breech em, regulate em, add ribs...yeah, I'll do that this weekend...    

Now I'm thinking I don't REALLY need a set of .62 rifled barrels for this thing.  

Thanks for talking some sense into me, guys.

[James Wilson Everett]

Guys,

This is from an earlier topic about lining rifles barrels:

T.J.'s  3652 Neltner Road, Alexandria, KY 41001, (859) 635-5560, Mike Sayers, President.  These guys make a large selection of hammer forged liners for modern calibers from 0.17 to 0.50, about 40 different ones.  For muzzle loaders they make a 0.460 bore/0.476 groove, 1-48, 5/8 OD and a 0.510 bore/0.532 groove, 1-48, 11/16 OD.  I used the 0.510 liner and was very pleased with the result as seen in the photos above.  T.J.'s sells these for $3.75 per inch.  I believe that Track of the Wolf sells these also, but at a higher price.  Obviously the price of the liner will exceed the price of a new barrel, so it only makes sense to line only the most valuable barrels, line the really cool twist iron barrel, above.

For smoothbore barrels I just use regular thin wall tubing, either carbon steel or stainless.  5/8 thin wall tubing may work, although you may need to polish/sand down the OD a bit.  I get tubing from McMaster-Carr and install them with slow setting epoxy.  Not too difficult a job.

Jim

[JB2]

well, Mr. Everett, I had almost pushed this idea out of my feeble little brain, and then you go and push it back in there! 

Another thought for anybody with double-gun savvy- Would I still need to regulate the barrels, after re-lining?  Thinking I would, since, as a smoothbore in their previous life, they were only 'regulated' within shotgun acceptance levels.   End result is same, or similar amount of work, with only a little $ saved.

Thanks again everybody.

[Bob Roller]

The late Tom Dawson was an authority on double rifles and built a few including two double flintlocks from scratch.He got the barrels from Bill Large as semi finished blanks.One of them had a magnificent pair of antique locks he bought at Friendship and there is a story involving them.The other two I made using castings he got from Dixie or maybe England.
  IF you are going to make a round ball double you may have to take the barrels apart more than once to get them regulated.Tom said that filing the muzzles on a round ball barrel to regulate gas escape could make it worse. If you are making one for a bullet,filing the muzzles can be used to regulate them.Also,Tom noted that the way to tell a nitro firing double rifle from a black powder type is that the nitro regulated gun will have the muzzles far apart and the black powder types will be close together.At the time of his sudden death from a heart attack,he was starting a book on double rifles.How far he got with the manuscript I don't know.

Bob Roller

[sz]

Jim B, I have done a bit of work on double rifles, both doing work on old guns as well as making 5 of them myself.
I can tell you faithfully, you will have a much easier time (and cheaper too) if you just start with two 62 cal barrels and make the whole thing.

Doubles can be tricky, but as a rule they are not the horror story that we are told they are.  I believe the biggest reason we are told "how difficult" a double is to make and regulate is to keep the price up and to discourage competition.
As I said, I have made 5 of them myself.  One did take me 2 weeks to regulate. One took me 2 days. The other three took me about 4-5 hours each to get them to print lefts and rights together at 50 yards.  It was not near as bad as I was told they would be.

I also did a re-regulation on an old Rigby 577 Nitro made in the teens. I was able to get it to print both bullets touching at 50 yards in only 6 shots.


My best advice to you is to start from scratch and build what you want.  I think you will find the process is time consuming, but fun.  It's not the black magic we are all told it is.
If you need advice contact me, and I’ll talk you through it.

[Kermit]

Ditto John Taylor.   http://www.johntaylormachine.com/

[Acer Saccharum]

Bob Hoyt makes sleeves, re-lines, re-rifles.

Track of Wolf carries some sleeves/liners in popular calibers.

[SuperCracker]

I have a pair of twist barrels I've squirreled away to do just this thing.  I asked Hoyt about it and he said it would be no problem.

He uses a Loctite adhesive to secure the liners. It goes back liquid at 450. So you should be able to use a very low temp solder for the ribs, mid spacer and muzzles and be very careful when regulating

[JB2]

A-HA!  SC, that was gonna be my next question about separating the muzzles to regulate.  Always a way to get into troub, er... I mean, do something

BTW , SC, is that a GSP in your avatar?  I think I've seen him in one of your posts in the shooting section, I believe with a bird or two.  Great looking dog.