Author Topic: 4 bore Wall Gun build (Read 13192 times)

J Shingler · « **on:** February 17, 2009, 01:57:30 AM »

Been working on this one for awhile. JD asked to see a video when we shot it. Still have a ways to go and will end up putting in a liner as the ignition is real slow. However, just could not wait to test fire it a few times before it was finished. This is a large file. My buddy Del doing the test firing. He was the only one with previous artillery experience.

1750 gn ball and 200 gr Fg Goex.

Also the group fired at 25 yards. Not bad for four different shooters and no sites! Oh and those little holes are just 50 cal. The big holes are 1" or four bore.

J.D. · « **Reply #1 on:** February 17, 2009, 04:07:35 AM »

Dang Jeff, you guys are having waaaayyy too much fun. The hysterical laughter in the background only lends a more festive atmosphere to the video.

gibster · « **Reply #2 on:** February 17, 2009, 04:15:28 AM »

Great video. Looks like you guys were having a blast with the wall gun. And I'm impressed with the group. Thanks for sharing.
Gibster

Little Brother · « **Reply #3 on:** February 17, 2009, 04:16:42 AM »

Way cool! Sounds like everybody was having a good time. Lets see 'er when shes all finished up.

J Shingler · « **Reply #4 on:** February 17, 2009, 06:56:52 AM »

"Dang Jeff, you guys are having waaaayyy too much fun."

Yea like a bunch of giddy teenage school girls! Dang that was fun. Now to finish it up.
At four balls to the lb and 35 shots to the lb of powder she does have an apatite!
Thanks for watching.
Jeff

C Wallingford · « **Reply #5 on:** February 17, 2009, 03:10:59 PM »

Jeff--Don't you hurt my buddy Dell. I would have thought that you would have taken the first shot since you are alot larger then him!

J Shingler · « **Reply #6 on:** February 17, 2009, 04:47:35 PM »

don't worry Charlie, I shot it first a couple times. Then we volunteered Dell.

What a hoot!

Acer Saccharum · « **Reply #7 on:** February 17, 2009, 04:55:16 PM »

It doesn't get much better than that!

rick landes · « **Reply #8 on:** February 17, 2009, 10:01:21 PM »

OUCH! That looked like it hurt...my rotater cup in having mercy pains for the gent "Dell" in the video!!!

Wish I could've seen it live ROFLOL!

Feltwad · « **Reply #9 on:** February 17, 2009, 11:03:04 PM »

What type of projectile conical or round ball?
Have some 4 bore conicals in my collection
Feltwad

J Shingler · « **Reply #10 on:** February 17, 2009, 11:16:14 PM »

This is a 1750 be round ball. Or at least that's what we were shooting in it.
It is a smooth bore so with that big bore you void shoot just about anything!
I am thinking a handfull of 36's would be wicked!

If you look in that same folder as the video there are a couple more.
Jeff

David Rase · « **Reply #11 on:** February 17, 2009, 11:41:50 PM »

Jeff, That video reminds me of my wife, girlfriend at the time, asking to shoot my .58 caliber enfield Musket. A bunch of us guys were at a shoot in Colorado not having much luck trying to hit a bucket that was hanging from a tree at a far distance. My wife ask if she couold give it a try. We laughed a little bit and she replied wanting to know what the problem was. We explained the recoil to her but she insisted on shooting. When she pulled the trigger she ended up knocking herself off the stool she was sitting on at the shooting bench. She picked up her 118 lbs, looked at us and ask what was so bad about that. I knew I had a keeper.
DMR

J Shingler · « **Reply #12 on:** February 17, 2009, 11:49:28 PM »

Rick
As much as this kicks, it really is not bad. It is a real healthy push and not a slamb. Sure glad it is as heavy as it is though. A few issues ago in Muzzle Blasts there was a guy hunting in Africa with 4 bore shooting much heavier loads in a 12 to 15 lb gun! WOW!

J Shingler · « **Reply #13 on:** February 17, 2009, 11:54:12 PM »

Dave
Yep I agree marry that one!...... But did she hit the bucket?

longrifle · « **Reply #14 on:** February 18, 2009, 04:31:21 AM »

I would sure hate to see what that thing would do to a Texas Whitetail

. Nice looking gun. I bet it was a fun build.

C. Cash · « **Reply #15 on:** February 18, 2009, 07:58:26 AM »

Thanks for posting this.....very fun to watch someone else shoot a 4 bore! Neat post and nice gun.

George Sutton · « **Reply #16 on:** February 18, 2009, 05:32:50 PM »

Jeff, you need to bring that to the mountains next Sept. We can use it on the woodswalk to big ball those small targets. $:-\$

George

Centershot $:-\$

rick landes · « **Reply #17 on:** February 18, 2009, 06:04:21 PM »

Quote from: J Shingler on February 17, 2009, 11:49:28 PM

Rick
As much as this kicks, it really is not bad. It is a real healthy push and not a slam. Sure glad it is as heavy as it is though. A few issues ago in Muzzle Blasts there was a guy hunting in Africa with 4 bore shooting much heavier loads in a 12 to 15 lb gun! WOW!

I am not sure how to quantify "a real healthy push"...I have fired .416 rigby's and double barrel 10 gauge mags...but I do not know what to think of your push...have fun...

Daryl · « **Reply #18 on:** February 19, 2009, 04:28:43 AM »

Guys- that was a light load - 7.33 drams - lighter than ever used in Africa by anyone who's been written about, anyway. A full load was 12 to 16 drams - 12 is 327.6gr. and 14 is 382.2gr., give or take a gr. 16 frams is a full ounce, of course, 437.5gr.

Selous said he wished he'd never used the light 4 bore fowlers with ball for elephant - said it destroyed his future fine shooting completely.

If trying more powder - I suggest offhand only.

I wonder how Bigdog is doing with his 2 bore? There are a bunch of guys over on nitroexpress with 4 bores - nitro and black powder. Steven Sihnn has build a couple English Sporting rifles in 8 and 4 bore along with that back actioned 2 bore.

Hoot AL · « **Reply #19 on:** February 19, 2009, 08:43:47 AM »

I've got a fella out in Las Vegas wanting me to build him one. The lock measures 14" long. and the barrel is over 6 foot long, the stock measures 8 foot long.

They say it took three men to haul this rifle around in the Revolutionary war. Two fellas hauled the rifle and the third fella hauled the powder and the 1 oz balls.

Also said it could hit a piece of 8-1/2 X11" writing paper at 500 yards. Kinda like a sniper rifle.

Hoot AL

longrifle · « **Reply #20 on:** February 19, 2009, 03:33:34 PM »

That one makes my 75Cal. look like a BB gun.

Daryl · « **Reply #21 on:** February 19, 2009, 06:21:34 PM »

Just found my old Lyman books, #1 & #2 - in #2, the writeup on Turner Kirkland in Africa had his double 4 bore Rathbone using 300gr. and a patched round ball for Elephant. In those days, Turner 'forgot' or didn't know hard lead should be used on Elephant, although seemed to get enough penetration with a pure lead ball but missed the brain. The ball flattened into a disk about .40" thick 1-3/4" in diameter.

This is the same expansion we got from the 52 pound 4 bore Taylor made for a guy way back in the 80's. We were shooting patched WW balls into the berm at 300 meters - raising almost 1/4 yard (it seemed) of dirt and stones with each shot. I still have one of those 1" balls, flattened into a disk - not bad for brinel 12 hardness. Seems to me we were using around 350gr., but doesn't matter on the exact charge.

The 4's are fun guns for sure and a double would be good camp protection from bears - even a single.

Edited to change my error on personages using the big gun in Africa. Val used a .58 1/2 stock with pure lead bullets - Elephant killed with a .458 double rifle. Turner's elephant secumed to the lung or heart shot with the big ball, which is the only place Selous used to shoot them with the big 4.

D. Taylor Sapergia · « **Reply #22 on:** February 19, 2009, 07:15:02 PM »

I haven't thought about that gun for a long time Daryl. It was 55 # as I recall, had a barrel 3" across the octagonal flats and was 54" long. I put a curly maple butt stock on it, held to the breech by a tapered #5 pin. The butt plate was a big Scheutzen styled thing that weighed 4#. The action was underhammer percussion, and it sported a lolipop rear tang sight. All the steel was browned. I understand that it was purchased from its owner by a gun shop in Washington, to hang above their front door like a sign.
We didn't shoot it offhand, obviously. We shot 300 grains of powder, which number we just pulled out of the air, and the 1" ball patched in denim. The recoil was not unpleasant at all...just a long steady uncontrollable push - actually pushed me off the stump at the bench. We never targeted the cannon, but I recall accuracy was quite acceptable at the 300 meter backstop. And great fun to shoot.

Daryl · « **Reply #23 on:** February 20, 2009, 01:28:57 AM »

Now we need someone to build up a 12 pound

single in 4 bore so we can video him shooting it.

B Shipman · « **Reply #24 on:** February 20, 2009, 08:27:36 AM »

I have a friend, Denny Doyle , that build a similar wall gun using a 37 mm antitank barrel.

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