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Andrew S Joy, Gunsmith Pittsburgh and Kittanning
« on: December 10, 2014, 06:47:29 PM »
Andrew Joy made rifles in my hometown and I've always wanted a nice example of his work.  Well this is
a great example, but unfortunately, it won't be coming to my house.  Super carved Western PA rifle.

http://aaawt.com/html/firearms/f794.html
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Re: Andrew S Joy, Gunsmith Pittsburgh and Kittanning
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2014, 07:47:29 PM »
Nice looking rifle!
I like the narrow pointy lock and side plate surrounds on these western PA guns!

S-t-r-e-t-c-h-,,, when it's gone,, it's gone.....

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Re: Andrew S Joy, Gunsmith Pittsburgh and Kittanning
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2014, 09:09:27 PM »
JTR,  Junior is in his second year at Univ of Pittsburgh with a full scholarship from Dad.  Just
can't make that stretch at the moment, but I like the way you think.
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Re: Andrew S Joy, Gunsmith Pittsburgh and Kittanning
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2014, 10:00:23 PM »
Oh yeah, I remember those full scholarships from Dad!
Well, where there's one, there's bound to be another someday,,,  ;D

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Re: Andrew S Joy, Gunsmith Pittsburgh and Kittanning
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2014, 12:52:57 AM »
Sorry your letting it pass but I appreciate the reason why.
Do you know if this patchbox style is typical for Joy? Is it a Western PA typical?
I'm gathering info for a build and have run into this patchbox on NY rifles. Not with the outstanding engraving that this shows but the same shape and piercings.
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Re: Andrew S Joy, Gunsmith Pittsburgh and Kittanning
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2014, 01:01:59 AM »
It's not a typical patchbox for western PA and this rifle is not typical for Joy.
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Re: Andrew S Joy, Gunsmith Pittsburgh and Kittanning
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2014, 01:39:18 AM »
A two-year degree will be good enough.  With the cost of tuition you'll save, you might have change left over for another gun.  :)

I can't play in that league of guns just yet - take a zero off and I'd still expect to have to sleep outside for a month.


Quote from: Shreckmeister on December 10, 2014, 09:09:27 PM
JTR,  Junior is in his second year at Univ of Pittsburgh with a full scholarship from Dad.  Just
can't make that stretch at the moment, but I like the way you think.
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Re: Andrew S Joy, Gunsmith Pittsburgh and Kittanning
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2014, 03:05:10 AM »
I was looking at that rifle last night, he's extremely overpriced on it. The Border rifle is a good $3000.00 over priced also.
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Re: Andrew S Joy, Gunsmith Pittsburgh and Kittanning
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2014, 03:45:51 AM »
I've dealt with this place before. You can make them an offer . They will pass it on to the consigner. Trust me they will take a lower price. Just how much lower is the question


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Re: Andrew S Joy, Gunsmith Pittsburgh and Kittanning
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2014, 03:02:06 AM »
JDM,
Will be glad to see you, we can give the "Old Man" a hard time together.
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Re: Andrew S Joy, Gunsmith Pittsburgh and Kittanning
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2017, 10:21:46 PM »
I have a 50 cal. (approximately) Percussion, Full-stock, rifle made by Andrew Joy. At least I think so because the marking on the top flat of the barrel (A Joy) is exactly like the one in the photos above. The stock seems reminiscent of something made in the later 1800's in Ohio though. I'll get pictures as soon as I can. It is a very plain rifle and I'd bet the stock is walnut. I'll get some pictures so you guys can ID it better.
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Re: Andrew S Joy, Gunsmith Pittsburgh and Kittanning
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2017, 12:21:43 AM »
I've seen both "A.S. Joy" signed* in script and "A JOY" stamped on guns of different styles (earlier vs mid-late 19th century). My assumption was they were pieces from different points in Andrew S. Joy's career. It is also possible that some of the guns we see with his mark were just sold or worked on by his shop.

*forgot to specify signed rather than stamped for the former before I hit post.
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Re: Andrew S Joy, Gunsmith Pittsburgh and Kittanning
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2017, 01:08:43 AM »
Here are some pics if this works of A. Joy Rifle
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Re: Andrew S Joy, Gunsmith Pittsburgh and Kittanning
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2017, 04:14:31 PM »
Interesting. That is certainly different than either of the Joy guns I'm familiar with. Is it possible that its is a restocked barrel?
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Re: Andrew S Joy, Gunsmith Pittsburgh and Kittanning
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2017, 06:29:43 PM »
I kinda wonder if it isn't re-stocked too........but still done way back in the day?
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Re: Andrew S Joy, Gunsmith Pittsburgh and Kittanning
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2017, 09:07:57 PM »
It's entirely possible. I've seen barrels reused from decades earlier on guns still built in the 18th or 19th century. If they barrel isn't hard to remove, you might be able to tell if the "staples" on the bottom have been moved to accommodate changes. That still wouldn't necessarily confirm it was restocked though because it could have simply been shortened at some point.
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Re: Andrew S Joy, Gunsmith Pittsburgh and Kittanning
« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2017, 01:10:47 AM »
I was told that John Wallace, a gunsmith who worked in Freeport, PA (my home town),
 was apprenticed to Joy. I've never seen a signed gun by Wallace but I imagine they were plain guns, made late in the percussion period.
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Re: Andrew S Joy, Gunsmith Pittsburgh and Kittanning
« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2017, 05:04:10 AM »
I have a friend in Freeport with a signed Wallace rifle. I could arrange a viewing
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Re: Andrew S Joy, Gunsmith Pittsburgh and Kittanning
« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2017, 06:34:32 AM »
Tax records of Kittanning Borough 1851




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Re: Andrew S Joy, Gunsmith Pittsburgh and Kittanning
« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2019, 03:53:20 PM »
I saw this image recently. It's a great looking rifle, but does it look like a A. Joy ? There are more details on pg. 6 of the upcoming auction.
Thanks

https://live.amoskeagauction.com/images/lot/556/556_0.jpg?1551824284


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Re: Andrew S Joy, Gunsmith Pittsburgh and Kittanning
« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2019, 04:16:19 PM »
It’s different than others I’ve seen. So is that perchbelly earlier in the thread.

I think this one is correct.


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Re: Andrew S Joy, Gunsmith Pittsburgh and Kittanning
« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2019, 11:53:56 PM »
I'd be willing to let go of the rifle in the Aug. 24, 2017 post. It hasn't changed any. I'm working on helping my son restock a long barreled T/C 54 Cal Flintlock. We're using a fancy curly maple stock that is pre inletted. Should be a nice shooter when we get it done, hopefully this winter. Dave
I'll try to put this on the For Sale board soon.
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Re: Andrew S Joy, Gunsmith Pittsburgh and Kittanning
« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2019, 07:10:08 PM »
Bump.
Mine is available. :)
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