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Offline moleeyes36

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Jacob Kunz Pistols
« on: December 12, 2014, 04:41:53 PM »
I originally posted this in the Gun Building section, but apparently no body had the answer to my questions.  Consequently, I figured I'd ask the folks that concentrate on antique guns. 

I'm considering taking a shot at building a pistol patterned after these Jacob Kunz pistols http://jamesdjulia.com/item/lot-1496-pair-of-philadelphia-jacob-kunz-1780-1876-signed-flintlock-pistols-48258/.  My questions are about the locks on these pistols.  They're both marked WARRANTED BY KONIGMACHER & CO which was a Philadelphia company from what I can find out.  Do you think Konigmacher made these locks?  To my untrained eye they look and awful lot like a Manton or another English lock to me.  Would it be possible that these are English locks that were just purchased by Konigmacher and then stamped WARRANTED BY KONIGMACHER & CO for resale?  Is this something commonly done back in the day?  Thanks.

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Re: Jacob Kunz Pistols
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2014, 08:01:57 PM »
From Sellers American Gunsmiths;

Konigmacher A. Philadelphia Pa. 1807-1814. Chambersburg Pa. 1814-1821. Lockmaker only.

It doesn't say how he marked his locks, but I'd bet this is your guy.
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Re: Jacob Kunz Pistols
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2014, 08:27:21 PM »
I originally posted this in the Gun Building section, but apparently no body had the answer to my questions.  Consequently, I figured I'd ask the folks that concentrate on antique guns. 

I'm considering taking a shot at building a pistol patterned after these Jacob Kunz pistols http://jamesdjulia.com/item/lot-1496-pair-of-philadelphia-jacob-kunz-1780-1876-signed-flintlock-pistols-48258/.  My questions are about the locks on these pistols.  They're both marked WARRANTED BY KONIGMACHER & CO which was a Philadelphia company from what I can find out.  Do you think Konigmacher made these locks?  To my untrained eye they look and awful lot like a Manton or another English lock to me.  Would it be possible that these are English locks that were just purchased by Konigmacher and then stamped WARRANTED BY KONIGMACHER & CO for resale?  Is this something commonly done back in the day?  Thanks.

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    Not relating to these specific locks, some hardware dealers purchased locks in bulk and marked them warrented with their own name.
Kinda like when you buy a Maytag made by Whirlpool today.
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Re: Jacob Kunz Pistols
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2014, 11:03:04 PM »
Thanks.  So based on this information the locks could have been made by Konigmacher or purchased, possibly from England, and resold marked warranted by him.

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Re: Jacob Kunz Pistols
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2014, 01:16:37 AM »
Sellers says Lock maker only. I suppose meaning he didn't make guns. But says nothing regarding being a lock importer.
I don't know if you realize that there were literally hundreds if not thousands of lock makers in this country, and true, some imported locks and marked them with their name. Probably no way to know for sure, but I'd bet they had no qualms copying some other makers work.
I have about 40/50 original flint and percussion lock plates; none have the same name on them, and none are exactly the same size.

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