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Sawing an Ash Log??
« on: December 20, 2014, 09:52:51 AM »
A fellow has set up a saw mill near here (central Ky.) and is cutting a lot of Ash.  I guess the land owners are cashing in before the Ash Borers get here.  I'm thinking about buying some ash from him to put away for future gun stocks.  The logs I saw were 18" to 24" diameter by 8 to 9 feet long.

He will cut the log about anyway that I ask, but never having done this, I'm at a loss. How should I ask him to cut it?  Do I want a slab out of the very center of the log?  Or some distance from the center? 

Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Sawing an Ash Log??
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2014, 04:15:35 PM »
http://www.paxtonwood.com/HowLumberisSawn.aspx

According to this link I "plain saw". I did a walnut log about 2 1/2 years ago. It was about 3.5 feet thick and about 9' long. Once the top and bottom were squared up we cut 3" slabs off the top till it was done. I left the edges rough (bark on).
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Re: Sawing an Ash Log??
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2014, 04:38:03 PM »
With logs in the 18 to 24 inch size there is not a lot of room to be creative. If you are sawing on a band mill i would saw one flat. Turn that side to the deck and 3 inch slab from there. Your center cut will be 1/4 sawn. split that down the center those will be the two best blanks to show figure if any. this method also retains  the stump flare on the butt log and allows the best grain flow through the wrist area when cutting blanks out of your slabs. Make sure to seal both ends of the slabs immediately after cutting.

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Re: Sawing an Ash Log??
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2014, 04:48:23 PM »
Mike....does that walnut bother you?....I must be getting sissyfied in my years....I have done my last rifle in walnut, the dust just gets my lungs going....and I wear a cheap mask!
I do like it for SMR and darken it with a mix of stain/black leather dye.......

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Re: Sawing an Ash Log??
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2014, 05:21:21 PM »
No, walnut doesn't bother me more than anything else. What's "SMR"?
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Re: Sawing an Ash Log??
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2014, 06:23:30 PM »
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Re: Sawing an Ash Log??
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2014, 06:43:52 PM »
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Your center cut will be 1/4 sawn. split that down the center those will be the two best blanks to show figure if any
For Walnut, not sure about ash, be sure to avoid having the center "vein" of the tree in the gunstock blank! It will ruin the stock, ask me how I know! This vein is sometimes (most of the time) hollow and you DO NOT want it to run through the blank. Make sure the sawyer cuts to each side of this "vein" else you end up with a lot of wasted wood.
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Re: Sawing an Ash Log??
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2014, 06:48:02 PM »
I wouldn't fuss over anything without curl.  Most doesn't have it.  Best of luck.

Yeah, the heartwood is a no-go.  But every sawyer knows that.
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« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2014, 06:59:37 PM »
Dennis, The center cut is split down the middle on the vein putting it on the edge of the planks and should be avoided when laying out  the stock profile. Or if plank width allows can be trimmed off completely.

Wade, I agree with not worth it without curl but some like the grain of ash.

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« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2014, 07:37:06 PM »
We always saw at least a 4"x4" out of the heart of the log. This goes to a pallet mill.
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Re: Sawing an Ash Log??
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2014, 08:08:45 PM »
Dennis could the log be sawn in such away as when the barrel channel was cut it it removed the center of the blank?????

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Re: Sawing an Ash Log??
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2014, 08:13:25 PM »
KY ,, if he will cut anyway you want,, ask about quarter sawn,,,brings out the figure and makes the wood more stable...

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Re: Sawing an Ash Log??
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2014, 09:02:02 PM »
Let me explain a few things about logs/ lumber in general. The "pith' that runs through the center of a tree is to be avoided. Why? Because it tends to be either hollow, crooked, pithy, or frought with all sorts of defects and problems.
When a round log dries, the log dries from the outside in. In other words, it will split radially, from the center to the outside edge. When a piece of lumber is "center cut", the pith or center of the tree is wandering to and fro inside this board. It will split everytime from the pith to the nearest exposed edge. This edge might be on one side for the first foot or two, then switch sides and split towards another edge. The resulting split is where the wood will dry out faster, the wood there will shrink and warp.
Sure, you can cut a big, wide board out of the center of a tree, but you won't be able to use it's entire width (not for anything nice, anyway). So, it's best to figure on loosing the wood closest to the center.
You need to avoid uneven drying. This is why you try to seal the ends of freshly cut boards. As soon as a crack appears, it allows the wood on either side of the crack to dry faster, making the crack run, which just leads to bigger cracks, warp, and loss of useable material.

Any knot in the surface of a board, or where a branch was cut, is really end grain, and will allow moisture to leave the wood unevenly. Wavy sufaces will result. Unfortunately, This is where a lot of wood's "figure" comes from- proximity to a branch, swell, burl, or root. So the more figure a piece of wood has, the harder it is to dry without loosing useable material.

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Re: Sawing an Ash Log??
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2014, 09:37:42 PM »
KY ,, if he will cut anyway you want,, ask about quarter sawn,,,brings out the figure and makes the wood more stable...
1/4 saw shows curl best on the sides of the stock, and less on the top and bottom. Slab sawn is just the opposite. In my experience anyway.
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Re: Sawing an Ash Log??
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2014, 10:20:25 PM »
But that the centermost boards are practically the same, especially with thick cuts in non-huge logs.
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Re: Sawing an Ash Log??
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2014, 11:35:54 PM »
But that the centermost boards are practically the same, especially with thick cuts in non-huge logs.

I think with the relatively small log size, those are going to be the best choice for stability, but the figure may not be anything special.  One thing I might try is quartering a butt piece with significant swell and taking boards off those if the saw can handle it.  More likely to have some character and grain you can run through the wrist.  Just speculating though...

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Re: Sawing an Ash Log??
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2014, 12:45:12 AM »
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Yeah, the heartwood is a no-go.  But every sawyer knows that.
Mine didn't! He put the vein right in the middle of 2 nice 2.75" blanks!

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Dennis could the log be sawn in such away as when the barrel channel was cut it it removed the center of the blank?Huh
I guess if the vein was straight you might be able to if you took enough time but that one sawyer evidently was more concerned in getting the logs cut than making sure I got what I asked for. I wasn't there when he cut the log.
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Re: Sawing an Ash Log??
« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2014, 12:51:32 AM »
I wouldn't fuss over anything without curl.  Most doesn't have it.  Best of luck.

Yeah, the heartwood is a no-go.  But every sawyer knows that.

This may just be semantics, but heartwood is what you want.  The pith and sapwood are not. I have sawed woods grown logs where you couldn't point out the pith with a map.  Other logs that grew with many limbs in the seedling through sapling stage it is obvious and should be avoided.
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Re: Sawing an Ash Log??
« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2014, 03:00:25 AM »
i am corrected.  Meant to refer to pith. 
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