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Offline David Rase

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Flintlock Hawken Rifle question
« on: January 09, 2015, 04:59:15 AM »
On a Hawken rifle, the lock panel taper is reverse from that on a Kentucky or Pennsylvania rifle, meaning that the panel is tapered inward towards the wrist, like a double barrel shotgun.  My question is, how would you lay this out on a rifle that uses a tapered barrel?  I have two ideas to get this effect, either taper the bolster or taper the right hand side flat where the lock bolster mates up to the side flat.  What are your thoughts or experiences?
David
« Last Edit: January 09, 2015, 07:29:49 PM by David Rase »

Offline shifty

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Re: Hawken Rifle question
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2015, 05:10:14 AM »
You taper or slant the section of the lock that mates up to the area around the snail and barrel ,does that make sense to you.

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Re: Hawken Rifle question
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2015, 05:49:22 AM »
excellent question that I have wondered about as well as the barrel is tapered the opposite way from the desired lock panel taper

I don't know how to do it correctly

Offline rsells

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Re: Hawken Rifle question
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2015, 06:31:47 AM »
David,
I remove metal from the back side of the lock pad that pushes up against the barrel and breech area to get this taper.  Hawken rifles are nice rifles, but they are a chore for me to build.  I end up spending a lot of time in the breech and lock area to get things right, but  I do get a lot of satisfaction when I get the rifle completed.
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Re: Hawken Rifle question
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2015, 06:55:58 AM »
It doesn't take much, maybe .020 the length of the bolster.   You can file the back end of the bolster down this much then file it flat to the front.  Another way is to solder a thin steel wedge on the bolster.  You can file it out of a hacksaw blade, which is about .023 thick.  You can draw your lock and panels to scale in a top view looking down on the lock and the panels.  Lay out the taper you want, then measure the amount the bolster will have to taper.  My .58 flint plains rifle has a 31" tapered barrel, 1.125 at rear and 1.020 at the muzzle.  The panels are 6.5" long.  Across the front they measure 1.792 in width and 1.500 at the rear.

Other rifles, 6.25" lock panels, 1 1/8" barrel has 1.75 across the front and 1.625 across the rear.  A 1" barrel was 1.625 at front and 1.500 at rear.

My Bridger Hawken has a 1 1/8" barrel, 6.25" lock panels.  It is 1.755 at front and 1.560 at rear.  Carl Walker of the old GRRW told me the original Bridger Hawken had its lock plate bent to lower the tail of the lock for the tapering panels.  The reason the panels are narrower across the wrist than ahead of the lock is to make a narrower wrist.  A reversed taper would make a bulky wrist.
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Re: Hawken Rifle question
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2015, 07:48:08 AM »
I appreciate the quick replies.  I also apologize for not being clear on describing my needs.  I guess I should of mentioned that the rifle is going to be an early fullstock  flintlock.  My thoughts were that since some flint double shotguns used recessed tapered breeches that a flintlock Hawken would also us a tapered breech.  
David
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Offline Bob Roller

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Re: Hawken Rifle question
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2015, 03:09:14 PM »
It doesn't take much, maybe .020 the length of the bolster.   You can file the back end of the bolster down this much then file it flat to the front.  Another way is to solder a thin steel wedge on the bolster.  You can file it out of a hacksaw blade, which is about .023 thick.  You can draw your lock and panels to scale in a top view looking down on the lock and the panels.  Lay out the taper you want, then measure the amount the bolster will have to taper.  My .58 flint plains rifle has a 31" tapered barrel, 1.125 at rear and 1.020 at the muzzle.  The panels are 6.5" long.  Across the front they measure 1.792 in width and 1.500 at the rear.

Other rifles, 6.25" lock panels, 1 1/8" barrel has 1.75 across the front and 1.625 across the rear.  A 1" barrel was 1.625 at front and 1.500 at rear.

My Bridger Hawken has a 1 1/8" barrel, 6.25" lock panels.  It is 1.755 at front and 1.560 at rear.  Carl Walker of the old GRRW told me the original Bridger Hawken had its lock plate bent to lower the tail of the lock for the tapering panels.  The reason the panels are narrower across the wrist than ahead of the lock is to make a narrower wrist.  A reversed taper would make a bulky wrist.

 That tapered lock bolster and panel  was one of the first things the late Tom Dawson
 pointed out to me about the Hawken Rifle. The Bailes lock plate as it was cast had a
 tapered bolster that put the lock tail OUT instead of in. I still have 2 or 3 of these
 plates that escaped the milling machine years ago.

 Bob Roller