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A. Cooper

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Hawken - my first build and addendum
« on: January 14, 2015, 07:26:06 PM »











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Re: Hawken - my first build addendum
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2015, 07:29:19 PM »
What is the caliber.  Nice rifle.
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Re: Hawken - my first build addendum
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2015, 07:37:58 PM »
I like it - very clean lines - nice color - different.
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Re: Hawken - my first build addendum
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2015, 07:41:45 PM »
Re my previous post, to start, all will see my internet skills leave much to be desired. Sorry for the duplicate pictures. I built this rifle with parts I collected in the 1970's - at least the barrel, triggers and lock. There is a picture of the makers marks of these components and I hope my build approaches doing some justice to the men who built these components. The wood is a grade 4 piece of maple from Dunlop. My inletting skills may be worse than my internet skills so I had to cheat a bit and use some glass bedding around the tang and trigger plate.
My next task will be to learn to fire the rifle - I've never shot black powder so that will be an adventure. Thanks to all on this site who responded to my many questions as well as Jim Gordon who showed me some originals. Wayne Roubidoux's plans from the 70's were also helpful

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Re: Hawken - my first build addendum
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2015, 07:48:59 PM »
54 caliber

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Re: Hawken - my first build addendum
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2015, 08:00:38 PM »
Re my previous post, to start, all will see my internet skills leave much to be desired. Sorry for the duplicate pictures. I built this rifle with parts I collected in the 1970's - at least the barrel, triggers and lock. There is a picture of the makers marks of these components and I hope my build approaches doing some justice to the men who built these components. The wood is a grade 4 piece of maple from Dunlop. My inletting skills may be worse than my internet skills so I had to cheat a bit and use some glass bedding around the tang and trigger plate.
My next task will be to learn to fire the rifle - I've never shot black powder so that will be an adventure. Thanks to all on this site who responded to my many questions as well as Jim Gordon who showed me some originals. Wayne Roubidoux's plans from the 70's were also helpful

 The triggers are mine and I would not be a bit ashamed to be seen carrying that rifle from the car to the firing line or anywhere else. The Harold Robbins lock was a good lock.He was confined to a wheel chair and made locks and triggers in spite of that.I know Bill Large would like that rifle as well.

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Re: Hawken - my first build addendum
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2015, 08:12:06 PM »
...what pictures?
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Re: Hawken - my first build addendum
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2015, 08:13:14 PM »
Beautiful gun and great job on the photos also!!!!
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Re: Hawken - my first build addendum
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2015, 08:29:59 PM »
^Sho-nuff.
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Re: Hawken - my first build addendum
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2015, 08:37:22 PM »
Taylor, photos are on my previous post today. I've followed your posts on this forum and always value your observations.

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Re: Hawken - my first build and addendum
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2015, 09:10:12 PM »
Hi Mr. Cooper,

I merged your 2 threads on your Hawken.  I think it will be less confusing for the troops.

Nice rifle, especially for your first build.  Looks good and should be a great shooter too.

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Re: Hawken - my first build and addendum
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2015, 09:29:50 PM »
I built a rifle in 1973 using a Robbins lock.  I am unaware of any lock built commercially today that can match it.  Very nice work indeed.
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Re: Hawken - my first build and addendum
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2015, 12:53:14 AM »
Looks good for your first build.  If you like the building part, you will like the shooting part, especially shooting one you built.  I'm currently working on a hawken build using the same Robbins lock.  So what's your next build?
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Re: Hawken - my first build and addendum
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2015, 01:08:21 AM »
Nicely done.  My question is why did it take you so long?  You could have been playin' for forty years.  Good luck with your shootin', the process is just beginning and you will meet some super people along the way.

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Re: Hawken - my first build and addendum
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2015, 01:14:22 AM »
I second the "sho 'nuff"Now,as has been said,git on with the shootin,and enjoy the fruits of your labor.Very nice job.Dave F

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Re: Hawken - my first build and addendum
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2015, 01:30:38 AM »
Now I hope it doesn't take you as long to build the next one! I just went back and fixed some things on my first build I couldn't stand any more. I had to replace touch hole liner and while I had it apart...,` I had left way too much wood on fore stock and the stock too flat across tang area etc.,. It's still not real pretty but I like it better. I also re tuned the lock etc.,.
Fixing inletting goofs looks better with real wood. Glue a piece of same wood in and then re inlet. I have  fixed a couple that way and if any one ever noticed, they haven't pointed it out.
Overall very nice rifle. Certainly quality components! I would suggest flint on next one. I can't even remember the last time I shot a breech loading rifle. Flintlocks are so much more fun.  
Let us know how she shoots. I have a Bill Large barrel I picked up recently that is waiting.
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Re: Hawken - my first build and addendum
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2015, 02:54:12 AM »
Thanks for the pictures...they certainly speak volumes!

You have a very credible rifle for your first effort.  It is apparent that you have studied well, and absorbed the information, and then applied it in your build.  There are little nuances that 'make' the rifle, or break it.  And you've captured many of them.

If I may, and if you build another of these, pay close attention to the position and angle of the lock.  the tail of the plate should never be higher than the centre line of the wrist.  On many originals, the Hawken bro's tipped the lock down at the rear end to accomplish this.  Yours appears to me to be tipped the other way, likely in an effort to align the hammer with the nipple.  You will find when you tip it the other way, just slightly, you won't have to cut the notch in the plate's bolster nearly so deeply.

Make sure your chisels are as sharp as possible...it'll make inletting easier and more accurate.  Also, don't take the wood down to finish dimension until AFTER the inletting is done.  Then you'll be removing most of the oops taking wood down to metal.

I like the rifle (have a soft spot for Hawken rifles), and as I said, yours is a great fist effort.  Your components are superlative, and majopr fit and finish is also good.  It'll be without reservation, a good shooter.
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Re: Hawken - my first build and addendum
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2015, 03:44:17 AM »
WOW ... WHAT A GEM ... GREAT JOB !!!  ;D
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« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2015, 04:02:29 AM »
Toylor, I appreciate your observation about angle of the lock. I never noticed that nor have I ever read about it. I tried to make the bolster parallel to the barrel flat. Obviously your approach would be better. Thanks, Arlin

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Re: Hawken - my first build and addendum
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2015, 04:06:03 AM »
 Congrats on finishing a great looking rifle !

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Re: Hawken - my first build and addendum
« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2015, 04:10:42 AM »
  Very nice ,great cal. gosh i would like to have one of those barrels.

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Re: Hawken - my first build and addendum
« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2015, 04:41:46 PM »
Wow......VERY NICE!
That lock and hammer BEGS for just a tad of engraving....outlined at least....very clean rifle, be proud of that one!

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Re: Hawken - my first build and addendum
« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2015, 05:09:39 AM »
Kaintuck, Thanks for your comments. I also think a little, period correct, engraving would help. One of my next projects is to take a class at TSJC in engraving. I particularly like Louie Parker's work on the J and S Hawken. Link is below. Arlin
http://contemporarymakers.blogspot.com/2010/03/j-hawken-by-louie-parker.html

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Re: Hawken - my first build and addendum
« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2015, 03:14:30 PM »
Yessir......that will complete the rifle!

Nice work.

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Re: Hawken - my first build and addendum
« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2015, 08:55:59 PM »
Your rifle is not incorrect, for lack of engraving.  Most Hawken rifles extant have no engraving.
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