Frizzen

[Frizzen]

I have a flintlock pistol that I'm need of a new Frizzen or someone who can half-sole this one . The steel that these frizzens were cast were the wrong type of steel so this cannot be hardened for good results.
The mould that was used to cast these is no more, so a replacement Frizzen is out of the question .
Half-sole is the only way I see out. What are your thoughts? Can anyone out there help me?

[davec2]

First, I got a kick out of the fact that the topic title and the author are the same...good continuity.

Second, even if the frizzen is cast from a steel alloy that cannot be hardened on its own, it should be possible to case harden it.  Most of the frizzens made through history were not made of a harden-able alloy but were case hardened.  I would think this is the quickest and simplest solution.

[Frizzen]

I been playing around with this thing for the past hour and I find a Thompson Center Frizzen will work.
I just have to open the screw hole up to .140 from about .135 dia.   Also a "Becky" Frizzen seems to
be a direct replacement except for the screw hole which I have to open up. I tried it with a small Allen
wrench and both frizzens work fine. The Becky fits the pan better so I think I will use that. If someone
wants to put a shoe on the original Frizzen I will let you.

[Jim Kibler]

I would follow Dave's suggestion.  Easy and the results should be excellent.

[Frizzen]

I wish I could, but I'm not capable

[davec2]

Phil,

Send the frizzen to me.  I will send you a PM.

Dave C

[Frizzen]

OK Dave My E-Mail is kwhi43@mediacombb.net  phone 816-436-7196 I'm retired, so
usually home, except when playing banjo.

[Frizzen]

Here is the lock with the Becky Frizzen

[JCKelly]

Glad Becky worked. Becky S. was the Girl of my Dreams in 1948.

Just to be my usual contrary P.I.T.A. metallurgist, I might say that through history most frizzens were of low carbon wrought iron, with a steel sole forge welded or brazed on. A few of mine are so done.

Brazed sole on frizzen of "rifle #3 Plates 93 & 94, st. John collection, The Kentucky Rifle by Capt. John TG.W. Dillin.
These days an old hand saw or cheap circular saw blade would make a good sole. Hammer it to shape, use one or the other current versions of soft solder so as not to draw the temper.

I imagine there are a few hundred other thoughts on half-soling a frizzen.

[Old Ford2]

Hello J C,
Great idea of using saw blades.
Any saw blade will give umpteen soul replacements.
Thank you
Fred

[Jim Kibler]

This contrary pain in the ass metallurgist believes most frizzens made in the flintlock era were carburized iron.  Think we've had this debate before, though...

[JTR]

Just to be my usual contrary P.I.T.A. metallurgist, I might say that through history most frizzens were of low carbon wrought iron, with a steel sole forge welded or brazed on. A few of mine are so done.
I imagine there are a few hundred other thoughts on half-soling a frizzen.

This contrary pain in the ass metallurgist believes most frizzed made in the flintlock era were carburized iron.  Think we've had this debate before, though...

I'll get the popcorn!
John  

[Frizzen]

By the way, the Becky Frizzen  was hardened by Larry Zorn.  Boy it sure do spark!

[Jim Kibler]

To clarify my last post, I believe most frizzens were forged from wrought iron to finish form and then carburized.  Here is a previous post discussing this subject:

http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=17758.0


Jim

[bob in the woods]

This serves me as a reminder of just how much I miss Gary and his unselfish sharing of knowledge.  So much has been lost, and then rediscovered by folks of his time.  I I hope we manage to hang on to the gains made to date.
I also hope that Wallace Gusler publishes his book soon !