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Offline Mad Monk

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Re: Water proofing Hemp Cloth
« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2015, 10:48:02 PM »
Mad Monk, could you go a little into the differences between gutta percha and rubberized cloth. I've always heard that GP was closer to an early plastic while gum, or rubber was more utilized for cloth. A friend of mine collects old gutta percha items. I have a few old buttons as well.

Never got too deep into Guta-percha.  It is described as the latex from a particular type of tree.  Most came out of India according to the one tech book at work.  From what I could gather it is a natural rubber that pre-dates tire rubber, etc.  I could never learn if it was treated as natural rubber is after being collected from the trees.

When you get into early plastic, etc. there are some basics.  The chemistry behind linseed oil, rubbers and modern polymers such as PVC are similar.  For instance.  Goodyear is credited with discovering, by accident, how to "vulcanize" natural rubber with sulfur in order to produce tire rubber.  But for a long period of time prior to Goodyear, man was sort of vulcanizing linseed oil.  Adding sulfur to linseed oil and heating it produces a semi-rubbery product that was used to coat leather.  Then called patent leather.

I was working in a tire plant at the time and had access to the big tech library.  While there was all sorts of information on the natural rubber plantations in Africa there was almost nothing to be found on the Guta-percha "latex" out of India.  As far as I could learn.  If you treat Guta-percha as you would plantation trees raw rubber latex you get something very similar.  When you are looking at some products out of India they were very cautious not to let the basic process out of that country.  Finished goods yes.  Basic technology behind it? No.

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Re: Water proofing Hemp Cloth
« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2015, 11:21:43 PM »
Mad Monk, could you go a little into the differences between gutta percha and rubberized cloth. I've always heard that GP was closer to an early plastic while gum, or rubber was more utilized for cloth. A friend of mine collects old gutta percha items. I have a few old buttons as well.

You and your buddy might want to check the Plastics Historical Society web site and run Gutta-percha through the search box.  A lot of good stuff in that.
I noted that this Gutt-percha is described as a natural thermoplastic.  Meaning it can be molded.  The Guta-percha sap will dry and crystallize giving a hard an inflexible mass.  Then when placed in hot water it gets soft and flexible again.  Then upon cooling and drying returns to a rigid mass.  Natural rubber used in surgical rubber and tire rubber does not crystalize which gives the rubbery property when processed.

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Re: Water proofing Hemp Cloth
« Reply #27 on: May 08, 2015, 06:29:19 AM »
Thanks Mad Monk. I don't collect GP items, but my friend sure has a neat collection. He has collapsible cups, buttons galore, eyeglass cases, match safes and some other items that slip the memory. He loves the hunt for these items. He collects anything 1860s and earlier so anything he finds with a later watermark he slides them my way since I like old west era stuff as well.
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Re: Water proofing Hemp Cloth
« Reply #28 on: October 25, 2015, 09:17:14 PM »
50% boiled linseed oil and 50% mineral spirits works on wall tents. It would probably work on hemp cloth as well.

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Re: Water proofing Hemp Cloth
« Reply #29 on: October 26, 2015, 12:01:33 AM »
Guta-percha used to be widely used in the dental industry, may still be. it was used to pack root canals prior to receiving cap or in any situation that required a semi-permanent seal. It came in little boxes about the size of the old match box, inside were individual "spines" of natural Guta-percha, quite thin, which are naturally tapered to a point. The dentist would insert them into the tooth one-by-one and tap the protruding ends lightly to fill the cavity. The Guta-percha would expand and form a tight seal.

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Of course that has nothing to do with waterproofing cloth...  8)
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Re: Water proofing Hemp Cloth
« Reply #30 on: October 29, 2015, 06:10:12 AM »
Boat sauce. You can buy it here...

http://shop.skinboats.com/Coreys-Pine-Tar-Boat-Sauce-32-oz-PTBS.htm

...but make your own. I've given up the linseed oil (turns black with time) in favor of tung oil. NOT tung oil finishes from the paint department, but 100% pure tung oil. My recipe:

1 part Stockholm tar (the real stuff) http://www.tarsmell.com/tar.html
2 parts tung oil
3 parts turpentine (not mineral spirits)
     I add a skosh of japan drier

Some folks vary the proportions, even to equal parts of the three.
« Last Edit: October 29, 2015, 06:11:56 AM by Kermit »
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