Flintlock for Hawken

[utseabee]

I am starting to gather parts for an early full stock Hawken and I am looking for suggestions for a flintlock. I am not a big L&R fan, but would use it if it turns out to be the best choice. Would a Chambers late Ketland be appropriate? I have two other projects that need to be finished first, so I have some time to work with. Any suggestions will be appreciated.
Thanks
John

[J I]

John,
 The Hawken shop has one flintlock listed on their web site. It is listed as a Ketland style lock. There are differences between this lock and the Chambers Ketland. Chambers locks are very reliable, I don't know anything about the Hawken shop locks.

[David Rase]

I recently worked over one of Jim Chambers late Ketland locks for my latest fullstock Hawken.  I was able to shape it pretty close to the lock in the Wayne Robidoux Hawken drawing.  I too was tired of the L&R lock.



David

[utseabee]

Thank you for the replies. All of my current rifles have Chambers locks except for one Davis.
I have had great luck with the Chambers locks and would really like to use them whenever possible. I have seen the Hawken shop flint and it looks like a Davis. My one Davis lock has not given me any problems either. I am just looking into my best options

[galamb]

I think you could get away with any "later" flint style lock.

Since there is no existing Hawken, at least any known, undisputed examples, it would be tough for someone to say that your lock choices was either "incorrect" or "not possible".

Jake and Sam's father, Christian, was not exactly "brand loyal" when it came to locks - he seems to have used whatever he could get his hands on.

Likewise, Jake and Sam used quite a variety of cap locks on their (existing) rifles.

So based on both of those "knowns" regarding locks on original Hawken rifles, I would suggest you could use pretty much anything you wanted.

If you are leaning towards an English lock then the late Ketland (Chambers) by all accounts would be a first rate lock.

If you want a suggestion for a Germanic style, which (personal view) would have just as likely to have been used on a J&S Hawken flint, the Chambers Golden Age is a fine lock (own one myself).

[utseabee]

I've never given a thought to a Germanic lock on a Hawken, something new to think about. I am using a golden age lock on a rifle I am now building. I've used the Dale Johnson and the round face English lock and am happy with both of them. I also purchased one of the new round face Jaeger locks for a rifle I am having built. I want to hunt with the full stock Hawken, so it must be a flint here in PA.
Thanks for the information

[Bob Roller]

I've never given a thought to a Germanic lock on a Hawken, something new to think about. I am using a golden age lock on a rifle I am now building. I've used the Dale Johnson and the round face English lock and am happy with both of them. I also purchased one of the new round face Jaeger locks for a rifle I am having built. I want to hunt with the full stock Hawken, so it must be a flint here in PA.
Thanks for the information

Any Germanic lock on a Hawken styled rifle would stand out like wire wheels and whitewalls on a stage coach.
Get a Chambers late Ketland and round the tail off a bit.

Bob Roller

[msw]

another vote for Chambers ... they're on all but one of my rifles ... super reliable!  Good luck with your build!

[D. Taylor Sapergia]

Nice work David!  good choice of lock and great architecture.  Will it be finished in time for Heffley? (subtle hint)

[gunmaker]

Chamber's gunmakers lock " I like that name"  could be filed on to get something along a Hawken likeness.....Tom

[D. Taylor Sapergia]

...except for the obvious Germanic architecture of the pan.  But yes, it could be filed to work.

[utseabee]

I went ahead and ordered the Chambers late ketland and I'll re work the plate when I build the rifle.
Thanks

[UpDok]

Sorry that I'm late for the discussion. I recently (last winter) used an R.E. Davis "Late English" flintlock for a flintlock Hawken rifle build. It's a fairly authentic lock for the period and it sparks well. I understand that it's just conjecture on my part since there does not seem to be many (if any) authentic flintlock Hawken rifles that have survived to the present day. I have admired this lock for years so I decided to use one in a rifle build

I used American black walnut blank for the wood, track of the dog hardware and an Ed Rayl tapered .54 barrel 1" at the breech 36" long. it weighs in at just over 8 pounds.



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