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Offline Dave Marsh

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Re: Build number 2
« Reply #25 on: October 30, 2015, 03:46:18 PM »
Thanks Bill.  Much appreciated.

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Offline Pete G.

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Re: Build number 2
« Reply #26 on: October 30, 2015, 04:21:21 PM »

Dang. Oh well, another 100 bucks or so down the drain.

You'll get used to that after a while. ;)

Offline Bill Ladd

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Re: Build number 2
« Reply #27 on: November 08, 2015, 11:04:09 PM »
Okay. Moving right along.  Getting some great feedback here, though PMs, and talking to vendors such as Dave Keck.

I'm inletting the Small Siler now and am looking toward the wrist and buttstock shaping.  Sitting here reviewing "Gunsmith" for the umpteenth time. He writes that the buttplate and wrist profile are two "knowns" from which to shape the buttstock.

Problem here is I'm building a schimmel - it has no buttplate.

I'm thinking I either need one of you very fine gentlepersons to trace me an appropriate butt profile or plop down the coin for one to use as a pattern.

What sayeth you?

Offline B.Habermehl

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Re: Build number 2
« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2015, 12:02:29 AM »
If you have Track of the Wolfs catalog they have full size pictures. BJH
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Re: Build number 2
« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2015, 12:12:35 AM »
Hi guys newbie here.Reading this post and im also gattering parts for a new build for a herman rupp rifle.Would a early ketland or dale johson lock work barrel would be oct to round 42 in long
Most of the guys who build those go with a standard Siler lock.
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Offline Bill Ladd

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« Reply #30 on: November 09, 2015, 12:53:10 AM »
If you have Track of the Wolfs catalog they have full size pictures. BJH

Facepalm.  I do.

And I know they have full size pictures too.


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Offline Bill Ladd

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« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2015, 01:07:45 AM »
Hi guys newbie here.Reading this post and im also gattering parts for a new build for a herman rupp rifle.Would a early ketland or dale johson lock work barrel would be oct to round 42 in long
Most of the guys who build those go with a standard Siler lock.

I'm building mine working off two sets of plans - One a small Herman Rupp, drawn by Eric Von Aschwege, and one I got from Dave Keck that was drawn from an unsigned rifle that had been assumed to be a John Rupp, but since had that attributution removed.  Both have Germanic locks (Siler).

I also have the KRA cd  - Lehigh Valley 1780-1820.  Most of the rifles have Germanic locks and all the Rupps represented do.

Offline Bill Ladd

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Re: Build number 2
« Reply #32 on: November 21, 2015, 07:06:35 AM »
So. Sheath buttplates.  This baby was kicking my tail, so I put down my chisels, went inside, and cranked up the search engine.  There were three good threads on inletting this type of plate. Very helpful.  Surely would have ruined this piece of wood if I'd kept going the direction I was headed.




Offline Bill Ladd

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« Reply #33 on: November 21, 2015, 07:11:00 AM »
Goofed on the lock inletting in a few ways.  First off, I got ahead of myself and forgot to file the "teat" on the tail of the lockplate.




And then there's this gap here  :'(



Not sure if I'll try to fill it or not.  Might just leave it.

Thanks for looking.

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« Reply #34 on: November 21, 2015, 04:43:31 PM »
Thanks for the pictures.Youre doing a good job.I learn a lot off of this site How long did it take you to get that buttplate installed.It takes me forever to get one done.

Offline Bill Ladd

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« Reply #35 on: November 21, 2015, 04:57:20 PM »
Thanks thimble.  I didn't keep track of time and was jumping around to other things on the rifle and a knife I'm working on.  Maybe an hour or two total?

Oh, and for those closely following the thread - I did say no buttplate on this one, but that .30 cal barrel is heavy.  Hope a big chunk of brass on the tail end will help balance it out.

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« Reply #36 on: November 21, 2015, 07:35:47 PM »
Good start Bill,  keep at it....Tom

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Re: Build number 2
« Reply #37 on: November 21, 2015, 08:33:15 PM »
Track of the Wolf carries drills for doing this, if you're not inclined to make your own.  For 1/4 inch I believe the drill  used is 9/32   

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« Reply #38 on: November 21, 2015, 09:20:06 PM »
Thanks Tom.

bob - are you talking about the ramrod drill?  I looked, but must have missed the 9/32.  Would have much rather ordered it, truth be told.

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« Reply #39 on: November 21, 2015, 11:57:55 PM »
Not to knock TOW's drills---but those single flute bits cut no way as good as a brad point.     ....Tom

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« Reply #40 on: November 22, 2015, 01:25:23 AM »
Yes, TOTW has the 9/32nd ram rod drill.  Their's are the fluted style. It works well enough for me, but you can get the brad point ram rod drills from Muzzleloader Building Supplies. I have both types in different sizes.

Offline Bill Ladd

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Re: Build number 2
« Reply #41 on: November 23, 2015, 02:50:01 AM »
AAUUUUUGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

Help. Can I save this?



Okay. Now that I've calmed down a bit let me ask - How would you experts out there save this?

My ideas is to route channels in the lock inlet and the rear portion of the barrel channel to straighten the RR hole and then glue in a wooden plug in the barrel channel.  I can then use matching wood to patch where the hole is breaking through the breach at the bottom of the stock.

Yes? No? Toss it on the fire?
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Re: Build number 2
« Reply #42 on: November 23, 2015, 03:08:01 AM »
Yes. Patch with wood. After the trigger guard installation etc and a bit of carving [ or not ] you'll hardly notice , if at all.

Offline Bill Ladd

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« Reply #43 on: November 23, 2015, 03:14:06 AM »
bob - no carving on this one since it's a plain rifle. Was planning on bending up a very simple brass guard - reckon I could make the feet (or whatever you call the part that lays against the stock) a little wider to cover.

Man, when I first saw that my heart fell out onto the floor.
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Re: Build number 2
« Reply #44 on: November 23, 2015, 03:19:32 AM »
Make a scraper out of a piece of 1/4" steel rod.  Bump up the end by tapping it with a hammer.  This will create a hook.  Now, file away everything of the expanded steel except for one area that will do the cutting.  When you run the rod into the hole orient the hook on the side you want to cut away wood - up toward the lock and over toward the centre of the stock.  Continue removing wood until the hook doesn't cut anymore, and then bend the rod just a bit about 2" up from the hook.  Now the hook will continue to cut.  In no time at all, you will move the hole in the direction you want.  Now cut away the thin wood around the oops until there's enough to make a decent glue edge, make a plug to fit, glue it in and the rest is easy.  After you have finished the stock, stained it and applied finish, you'll be happy with the stock.  We've all been here.
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Offline Bill Ladd

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« Reply #45 on: November 23, 2015, 03:22:09 AM »
Coming from you, that means a lot.  Thanks, thanks, thanks!!!


Now I gotta ask. Is it normal for grown men to cry in their workshops?  :D
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Offline b bogart

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Re: Build number 2
« Reply #46 on: November 23, 2015, 03:33:07 AM »
Sure you can. It could be alot worse!

Offline D. Taylor Sapergia

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Re: Build number 2
« Reply #47 on: November 23, 2015, 03:36:15 AM »
I don't think I've actually broken down to the point of making noise, but I've shed tears, either before or after the air turns blue.  Heather knows not to come down to the shop to ask me a question about anything, at those moments.  All that said, I've never had to scrap a stock...always come up with a fix.
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Re: Build number 2
« Reply #48 on: November 23, 2015, 03:52:07 AM »
air turns blue.  I like that.  Air in my shop was a very dark navy at the time!



Rekcon it's what i get for being so cocky about my first ramrod hole.

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« Reply #49 on: November 23, 2015, 03:55:06 AM »
b bogart - that's a good one!