Author Topic: latest project (Read 11104 times)

albert · « **on:** March 14, 2009, 12:33:23 AM »

Well I guess I will get my feet wet on new builds also,this is my latest rifle,my rendition of a J.Armstrong,it is .40.G.M.bbl.,Chambers deluxe,my home built inlays,and wood from Tiger Hunt.I am just about finished with it,I want to rub the shine off the stock yet.

Brian Jordan · « **Reply #1 on:** March 14, 2009, 01:05:03 AM »

Looks beautiful!! What type of finish did you use? Do plan on any engraving?

albert · « **Reply #2 on:** March 14, 2009, 05:22:37 AM »

My, engraving isn't good enough to put on a rifle yet,hopefully someday , the finish is Magic Maple stain,finished with true-oil,which I will use rubbing compound,to get a nice satin look.

T*O*F · « **Reply #3 on:** March 14, 2009, 07:32:16 AM »

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the finish is Magic Maple stain

Just for the sake of discussion, what are the ingredients listed on the bottle?

gibster · « **Reply #4 on:** March 14, 2009, 03:46:35 PM »

Great looking rifle. The wood has great color. Where did you get the stain? What's your next project? Thanks for sharing.
Gibster

chapmans · « **Reply #5 on:** March 14, 2009, 06:45:46 PM »

Albert,
Did the stain come with any instructions? Don Kammerer used that stain and it always looked just like your gun when new but after 10 yrs or so they all turned green, I was told that you had to neutralize with baking soda after use, but I'm afraid to use it, I have several bottles plus some that is marked, I think, Slippery Rock Stain. Maybe the newer stuff is different. I only use it for the hickory rods, they turn almost black then I just steel wool them to bring out the color.
Regards, Steve Chapman

Metalshaper · « **Reply #6 on:** March 14, 2009, 07:08:16 PM »

I must have done something wrong??

Magic maple, approximately 9 yrs old. Looks the same as it did when I put it on?
I put on the MM and then flashed it off, like Aqua Fortis. Why?? Because

a dark walnut danish oil, thinned and wiped on/off.. Old Durable, as the finish!

Don't see any green??

Respect Always
Metalshaper

chapmans · « **Reply #7 on:** March 14, 2009, 07:26:22 PM »

My stain is pre 1997 and the last gun I used it on turned green I have a couple Don built and have friends that have several more all green, if I get a chance I'll post.
Steve C.

T*O*F · « **Reply #8 on:** March 14, 2009, 08:07:35 PM »

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Magic maple, approximately 9 yrs old. Looks the same as it did when I put it on?

Dagwood,
Guns have to be exposed to sunlight for the color to change. Sitting in a dark closet for 9 years has no effect on it.

The reason I asked the original question about the composition of MM is that I had thought it was CRO2, but couldn't remember. I was also interested to see who would endorse its use while eschewing the use of CRO2.

California Kid · « **Reply #9 on:** March 14, 2009, 08:12:06 PM »

Slippery Rock Stocks used to sell Magic Maple at Friendship.
I think Wayne Dunlap bought them out years ago. He still sells Magic Maple. Never tried it as I have seen a lot of green stocks from the 70's.

albert · « **Reply #10 on:** March 14, 2009, 08:19:50 PM »

I looked on the bottle,and there is no listing of the makeup of it.I have used this stain since the late 60's and haven't had any stocks turn green yet,my flintlock that I helped my dad build in 1970,looks as good today as when it was built. The mix that I used was 3 of water to 1 of stain.

Metalshaper · « **Reply #11 on:** March 14, 2009, 11:08:56 PM »

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Dagwood,
Guns have to be exposed to sunlight for the color to change. Sitting in a dark closet for 9 years has no effect on it.

That's a good one Fox!

My "Miss" has been my main shooter for those years, but I have to admit I'm not shooting nearly as often as I once did..

I'll look in my shop and see if my bottle has the mix on it and get back to the gang!

Respect Always
Metalshaper/Dagwood

Metalshaper · « **Reply #12 on:** March 15, 2009, 12:15:19 AM »

to the gang,

NOPE, My bottle just says what it is by name and who made it..
that's all..

Respect Always
Metalshaper

FG1 · « **Reply #13 on:** March 15, 2009, 03:24:47 AM »

Quote from: TOF on March 14, 2009, 08:07:35 PM

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Magic maple, approximately 9 yrs old. Looks the same as it did when I put it on?
Dagwood,
Guns have to be exposed to sunlight for the color to change. Sitting in a dark closet for 9 years has no effect on it.

The reason I asked the original question about the composition of MM is that I had thought it was CRO2, but couldn't remember. I was also interested to see who would endorse its use while eschewing the use of CRO2.

Is the CRO2 chromium acid like dixie used to sell ? That turned a nasty green after a few years also.

JCKelly · « **Reply #14 on:** March 15, 2009, 03:48:58 AM »

Chromic acid, a.k.a. hexavalent chromium, when it finishes oxidzing stuff in the wood, turns to a nice pastel green. Which happens to be Cr2O3, trivalent chromium, if anyone is interested. That green form of chromium oxide is used for paint pigment, as well as to turn rifle stocks green for the unwary.

Oh, yeah--that chromic acid that used to stain my fingers reddish brown when I unwittingly used it, is also a carcenogenic. Forty years ago the limit in stuff discharged to rivers was a half a part per million, now I think it is more like a half part per billion.

I don't use it any more.

J Shingler · « **Reply #15 on:** March 15, 2009, 04:06:08 AM »

There was a guy out west that used that stain. Had beautiful colors. His was not green at all, like mine. Said the trick was to stain it dark real dark. Then with steel wool dipped in vinegar rub it back to the color you want. That is what nuterlized it so it did not turn green. I have not tried it but it sure looked good on his stuff. AND some were over 10 years old and in the California sun.
Jeff

Metalshaper · « **Reply #16 on:** March 15, 2009, 02:29:45 PM »

Hmmm,

all this Magic maple talk got me to thinking <leave it alone Fox!

> in my lab, we use Chromerge glassware cleaning acid. its a chromic/sulfuric mix. It's NASTY Stuff!! a drop on you skin and you'll drop everything to get it off, in any way possible! so reactive, a drop on a paper towel leaves a hole with charred edges!

Now I'm wondering, if diluted, how it would work as a stain ? May have to test a piece and see? also see if it goes "green" due to the chrome..

Respect Always
Metalshaper

T*O*F · « **Reply #17 on:** March 15, 2009, 05:22:13 PM »

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Now I'm wondering, if diluted, how it would work as a stain ?

In reality, any of these acids do not "stain" the wood. They chemically burn it.

Dennis Glazener · « **Reply #18 on:** March 15, 2009, 08:33:14 PM »

Nice looking work Tim.
Dennis

Metalshaper · « **Reply #19 on:** March 16, 2009, 02:18:30 AM »

OK unless you WANT a green stock!!

DO NOT use dilute Chromerge!
the test pieces we tried today went a sick pea green.. flashed off or allowed to air dry,,either way on ash and pecan its green!

Still haven't seen it in Magic maple,, Lucky I guess??

I might ne a knuckle dragger to some,, but working in a lab, I know what the acid does to the wood!! but thanks anyway!!

Respect Always
Metalshaper

J Shingler · « **Reply #20 on:** March 17, 2009, 12:43:29 AM »

Just curious did you kill it in any way? Are you saying it turned green in a day?
Jeff

northmn · « **Reply #21 on:** March 17, 2009, 01:51:54 PM »

I used some of the old Dixie stain you were talking about. The instructions were quite clear on using vinegar to neutralize and control color. I believe I remember a greensih tint on some builds. Unfortunately I sold the guns and haven't seen them since. They were very definite on neutralizing the stain.

DP

Metalshaper · « **Reply #22 on:** March 17, 2009, 02:02:34 PM »

Jeff,

Remember I was trying something "other" than Magic maple!!

No we didn't try to kill it. the test strips were made long enough, to be cut into two pieces. One was blushed with heat, the other allowed to air dry.on both the ash and pecan, the heat caused an immediate greening of the wood. with the air dried samples, the ash went green after a couple of hours. the pecan was
just showing green in the grain after about five hours.

Chromerge is not something I'd put on a gun , but was interesting just the same, as an experiment?

Respect Always
Metalshaper

T*O*F · « **Reply #23 on:** March 17, 2009, 06:42:04 PM »

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No we didn't try to kill it. the test strips were made long enough, to be cut into two pieces. One was blushed with heat, the other allowed to air dry.on both the ash and pecan, the heat caused an immediate greening of the wood. with the air dried samples, the ash went green after a couple of hours. the pecan was
just showing green in the grain after about five hours.

Dag,
You didn't put enough on and didn't let it sit long enough. Don't dilute it. Try a couple of heavy coats and let it hang overnite. Don't heat it. It should turn completely black. Then rub it back with vinegar and 4/0 steel wool. If it don't turn black, then it's no good.

Metalshaper · « **Reply #24 on:** March 18, 2009, 12:52:24 AM »

TOF,

Will give it another try! ( remember everybody listening in, I'm working with something different,, NOT Magic maple!! )

Chromerge full strength might start a fire? trust me, a small drop on a paper towel and it smokes and burns. I'll see if I can come up with a mix that works well enough to go black over night?

I know Jim Turpin uses magic maple,, and I've never seen one of his guns look green? anyway,, He lets the stock go black, like you mention. then scrubs it back using hot water. when he's done it looks like old gray barn wood <without the weathering

> when he hits it with his oil finish, it POP's and comes alive!!

When I get a chance to play again, I'll let you know what we come up with>> right now I'm off, out back, demolishing our old deck!

Respect Always
Metalshaper

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