Two Horns=One

[Tim Crosby]

 It is about 14" around the outside curve, the Apple wood base is 2 1/2" and is hollowed out about half way. Steel pins hold the base band and plug in. The upper part was heated in water until soft and pushed on the body, 6  pins hold it in place. The first ring is larger as it is intended to be the strap support. All three are held in place by Hide glue, I will probably pin them before it is sold, the strap support for sure.
 Same horn just two shots of each profile.

  Tim C.

[oldfireguy]

Nice looking horn.  I've never used hide glue on a horn but I do use pine pitch on the plugs to seal them.  How does the hide glue hold up to wet weather?   

[wattlebuster]

I like it. Very nice

[Tim Crosby]

 How does the hide glue hold up to wet weather?  

  I do not know for sure, this is only the second horn I have used it on a horn. The test horn has been around for awhile and the bands have not popped off but I do not use it in wet weather.
 I have seen many original banded horns that were missing their bands/rings and on some of them there is no indication they were pined but there is a residue in some cases, making me think they were glued in place.  Hide glue is water soluble but I think it would take a prolonged soaking for it to release, heat maybe a bigger problem. Gluing the bands on to a horn with hot hide/horn glue makes sense to my thinking. Heat the bands, apply glue, press on to horn. A friend that made Bows used it when he backed a bow with sinew.
 I will continue to pin my bands though, I do not want them popping off sometime in the future. Makes for unhappy customers.

  Tim C.      

[Cory Joe Stewart]

Very impressive work.

Coryjoe

[Horner75]

Now that's a little different and I like it.  I don't make many banned horns, but on a couple I made, I fitted the bands placement on the horn and then just took a pencil and mark lines around the horn where the band(s) would be. Then I slipped the bands off and drilled some very shallow holes around the horn between the pencil lines for some glue to grab and slipped the bands back on.  An old friend of mine has one of the horns and the bands are still secure after about 5-6 years use.

Rick

[J Henry]

  I like it,total departure from the everyday horn.

[thimble rig]

I like that horn,Its different looking for sure.its a good way to use some horns that you might have cut the tips off for use on something else.

[oldtravler61]

Tim nice horn. Very well done. Really like the two part application. Thanks for sharing.

[Robby]

Cool idea Tim!!!! Gives me all kinds of inspiration, making a left curl from a righty, I recently split a horn at the butt after investing hours carving the muzzle, I made an 'abbreviated' horn, I could have recouped it using your idea. Thanks!!
Robby

[Spinner]

That's a great idea!

[Mikecooper]

Regarding hide glue....  casein glue is historically correct to the time period and if made with lime is probably more water resistant than hide glue.

[Tim Crosby]

Regarding hide glue....  casein glue is historically correct to the time period and if made with lime is probably more water resistant than hide glue.

 Made with Lye? I use Two cups or so of Raw hide, Sheep and One cup water with a little horn dust thrown in, bring it to a boil and let it simmer for about Two hours or until it starts to thicken up. When and how much Lime do you add in?
 Then strain it through a loose weave cloth and store it in a can with a lid. To use I just heat the can and brush it on both pars to be glued. It is messy.

  Tim C.

[Mikecooper]

casein glue is made from milk.   It's been a long time since I made any.   As I recall you precipitate the casein protein by mixing in a mild acid like vinegar.   then strain out the solids and then neutralize the acid with a base like baking soda or lime.   If I remember right the lime makes it more water resistant.    Stradivari used it to glue ribs to corner blocks in his violins 300 years ago so it's been around for a while.    use google to find a more detailed recipe.   It can work well with glueing wood but I've never tried it on horn.  

[Tim Crosby]

casein glue is made from milk.   It's been a long time since I made any.   As I recall you precipitate the casein protein by mixing in a mild acid like vinegar.   then strain out the solids and then neutralize the acid with a base like baking soda or lime.   If I remember right the lime makes it more water resistant.    Stradivari used it to glue ribs to corner blocks in his violins 300 years ago so it's been around for a while.    use google to find a more detailed recipe.   It can work well with glueing wood but I've never tried it on horn.  

 I misread, thanks for the correction. I'll have to look that one up. TC

[seesbirds]

well done Tim.  Great save!