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Ric27

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lapping a new barrel
« on: March 28, 2016, 02:41:15 AM »
I have heard of the practice of lapping a new barrel to remove any burrs or ruff edges. I plan to do this so I would be interested in info on techniques and results of this procedure.

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Re: lapping a new barrel
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2016, 04:24:26 AM »
You can use a wad of 0000 steel wool wrapped around an undersized bronze brush, or scotch-brite square on a jag, or a very tight heavy cloth patch with JB, Flitz or AutoSol or toher chrome or aluminum polish on the patch.  The whole idea is simply to remove any hairs or wires on the top corners of the lands.
Any of these will do that, with possibly the easiest being one of the coarser weaves of Scotch Brite.

You can always just shoot the rifle for a couple hundred or more shots, until the cloth patch does the same thing.
« Last Edit: March 28, 2016, 04:26:25 AM by Daryl »
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Ric27

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Re: lapping a new barrel
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2016, 04:28:36 AM »
Thanks Daryl,
Have you ever done any before and after tests for accuracy after using any of the above methods?

ric

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Re: lapping a new barrel
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2016, 08:04:29 AM »
Ric... I have never done one, but there are several methods for this.  But Daryl's is as good as any IMO.  Some pour a lead or pewter slug a couple inches long in the barrel, pull it out, and impregnate it with valve lapping compound.  I think this is not the way to go, since the valve compound is a bit course.  And of course, this method would never work with a barrel with a gain twist. 

I think lapping a barrel can help, but with the quality of the barrels that I see coming out today, I doubt the returns would really meet the investment in time.  And like Ric said... You can always shoot it a bit and see an improvement.

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Re: lapping a new barrel
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2016, 08:25:07 AM »
Try fire lapping with lab grade grit paste from NECO     www.neconos.com.  We have sold our kits to all facets of the shooting community since 1992 with great success and better accuracy.  We make a special kit for muzzle loaders.  Call me at 800-451-3550.
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Re: lapping a new barrel
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2016, 02:47:00 PM »
Yes, fire lapping will work with lapping compounds available from several sources. 

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Re: lapping a new barrel
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2016, 05:20:56 PM »
Brownells sells many different grit sizes of lapping compound that mare finner than regular valve grinding compound.

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Re: lapping a new barrel
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2016, 06:01:36 PM »
In my opinion..... Barrels from the top makers today, normally don't need it.  You hear people talk about shooting in a barrel.  300 rounds before it settles in.  Rice, Getz, FCI are smooth and shoot great from the first shot.
I guess it's possible, but I've not seen one.
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Re: lapping a new barrel
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2016, 06:59:36 PM »
Brownells sells many different grit sizes of lapping compound that mare finner than regular valve grinding compound.

Absolutely no valve grinding compound!!

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Re: lapping a new barrel
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2016, 07:32:33 PM »
Premixed grinding/lapping/polishing compounds come in grits from 60 to 3600 and made with all different kinds of abrasives from garnet to CBN & diamond. Depending on what you want to do, there's likely a pre-mixed product available these days. No new barrel leaves my shop without being lapped and burnished. First five from the bench ↓

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Re: lapping a new barrel
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2016, 07:37:14 PM »
I used the Scotch Brite, red, on a friend's barrel that had picked up a bit of rust/rough spot near the middle, as well as lead lapping another friend's  barrel mildly pitted one end to the other from using boiling water for cleaning.  this pitting happened over a number of years- it took two sessions of lead/lapping to smooth it up enough to shoot and load easily.

I've never had to lap or polish a new muzzleloading barrel myself, finding they all shot well as received, from the get-go, using our standard combination of a ball around .005" under the bore diameter and a .022" patch - every one of them.
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Re: lapping a new barrel
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2016, 07:41:15 PM »
Ric 27.....have you fired the gun and looked at the patches? If torn or shredded, a bore treatment or chamfer redo is perhaps req'd..., if the patches are good, why bother? Going through the "cures" for possible patch tearing w/o actually firing the new bbl and inspecting the patches is  pure folly....Fred
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Ric27

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Re: lapping a new barrel
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2016, 08:26:58 PM »
Wow! Thanks everyone. Lots of good info. I have not shot the gun in question as I haven't built it yet. This is a rifle I will take Elk hunting this fall If I am drawn. It will probably the only Elk hunt I will ever be on so I want everything up to snuff so to say. I have built quite a few rifles and never had an accuracy issue, but I have noticed that the cleaning patches have been torn up pretty bad even after the barrel is pretty much cleaned up.

I surely do not want to mess up a rifle that shoots great already so I thing I will shot the rifle before I do anything.

Thanks again to all who commented on my post. Good Info!!

ric

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Re: lapping a new barrel
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2016, 08:42:54 PM »
Premixed grinding/lapping/polishing compounds come in grits from 60 to 3600 and made with all different kinds of abrasives from garnet to CBN & diamond. Depending on what you want to do, there's likely a pre-mixed product available these days. No new barrel leaves my shop without being lapped and burnished. First five from the bench ↓



I have kits with four different lab grade grits in paste form.  #220, #400, #800 and #1200

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Re: lapping a new barrel
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2016, 09:02:19 PM »
Premixed grinding/lapping/polishing compounds come in grits from 60 to 3600 and made with all different kinds of abrasives from garnet to CBN & diamond. Depending on what you want to do, there's likely a pre-mixed product available these days. No new barrel leaves my shop without being lapped and burnished. First five from the bench ↓



What caliber, and what range on those five?

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Re: lapping a new barrel
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2016, 09:14:38 PM »
Ric, If your simple cleaning patches are being torn up I'd say you have some kind of issue that needs addressing.
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Re: lapping a new barrel
« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2016, 09:27:02 PM »
I've lapped many ML barrels.  I used to buy low quality barrels and lap them.  Real lapping is done by casting a lead slug on a rod.  I use alloyed lead.   I use all thread with nuts, washers and a leather washer between to prevent leakage when casting.  The old string method does not center the lap well.  Use a good steel rod with a guide and work from the breech end.  I make the guide to screw int he plug threads.  I do use coarse valve grinding compound to start, maybe #120 silicone carbide.  I am trying to remove significant material.  Tight and loose places are very prominent in button barrels.  I use a tapered screw to tighten the lap.  I work the bore really aggressively.  I figure on raising a blister on my hand.  I am trying to put a small choke, maybe 0.001" that my short starter can get past.  That takes a long time an a lot of sweat to do that.  Once it feels even and choked the way I want I go on to about #320 grit.  That will be pretty smooth and shiny.  I have tried very fine abrasives an only produce sweat and blisters with little return for my effort.  

A smooth, uniform, choked barrel is a pleasure to load and shoot.    

You can certainly steel wool, Flitz, or scotch brite a barrel, it is not lapping though.   I would not lap a good barrel as I described above.  A pitted nasty old barrel can be saved this way.  

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Re: lapping a new barrel
« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2016, 10:10:14 PM »


FYI, first 5 out of a new Getz barrel, no lapping.
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Re: lapping a new barrel
« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2016, 11:56:43 PM »
Lapping in a choke is a different process altogether, than polishing up a bore.
I did this back in the 70's with a Bauska 38" twist .50 bl., cut rifled.  I think Les was using 12L14 then and that process took 2 laps and about 9 hours of work, performed just as Scota4570 noted above. 12L14 is much softer feeling barrel, than Green Mountain uses, and is easier to work with. Those who have draw filed both, will know this. I suspect it would take a LOT longer, probably twice as long to lap a GM barrel.
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