Author Topic: Club Butt Fowler New Images 6/1/16 finishing up (Read 19076 times)

Cory Joe Stewart · « **on:** May 03, 2016, 02:50:44 AM »

Hello everyone, I have not posted anything in a while. This semester has kept me busy at my real job. I do have a project I am working on. It is a Club butt fowler based on one from the book All Sorts of Provincials. It is not an exact copy. It will be pretty plain. The original did not have a butt plate, so I do not think I will include that. It is a 12 gauge barrel and was my first Octagon to round barrel to inlet.

It is still in the rough shaping stage.

Coryjoe

wattlebuster · « **Reply #1 on:** May 03, 2016, 03:17:20 AM »

Looking good so far

Daniel · « **Reply #2 on:** May 03, 2016, 03:39:15 AM »

Looks good. I like club butts.

Mike Brooks · « **Reply #3 on:** May 03, 2016, 02:00:50 PM »

How much drop at the heel and comb did you decide to use?

Cory Joe Stewart · « **Reply #4 on:** May 03, 2016, 02:54:28 PM »

Quote from: Mike Brooks on May 03, 2016, 02:00:50 PM

How much drop at the heel and comb did you decide to use?

It is just under three inches to the comb. Right now it is just over 8 at the heel. I made the profile based on the original.

KC · « **Reply #5 on:** May 03, 2016, 03:48:40 PM »

I like that a lot. The more I look at old guns, the more I really like the really early ones. These old club butt fowlers are cool, keep posting your progress. I'd like to see that one when it's done.

I'd like to build a gun based on the Rifle Shoppe's Newtowne Musket someday but can't seem to string together enough conversations with anyone at the Rifle Shoppe to see if any castings or parts from that gun are available.

rich pierce · « **Reply #6 on:** May 03, 2016, 05:35:02 PM »

Looks like a super hard piece of plain maple I once had. How challenging is it to shape a club butt from pictures? I'm assuming you haven't handled many. I certainly haven't.

PPatch · « **Reply #7 on:** May 03, 2016, 06:21:24 PM »

Looks like you have a good start Coryjoe, it will be interesting to follow your progress. I like those fowlers.

dave

Cory Joe Stewart · « **Reply #8 on:** May 03, 2016, 08:02:19 PM »

Quote from: rich pierce on May 03, 2016, 05:35:02 PM

Looks like a super hard piece of plain maple I once had. How challenging is it to shape a club butt from pictures? I'm assuming you haven't handled many. I certainly haven't.

Unfortunately I have not handled any. The book I am going by has pictures of every angle, except the butt. So far it has not been too tricky. I have not been able to use my planes for spokeshave, so every is being done with a rasp and I used gouges to rough out the shapes.

It may get trickier as I go. Having not handled one myself, I pick it up and aim it fairly often in the process.

Coryjoe

Mike Brooks · « **Reply #9 on:** May 03, 2016, 10:43:25 PM »

Quote from: Coryjoe on May 03, 2016, 08:02:19 PM

Quote from: rich pierce on May 03, 2016, 05:35:02 PM
Looks like a super hard piece of plain maple I once had. How challenging is it to shape a club butt from pictures? I'm assuming you haven't handled many. I certainly haven't.

Unfortunately I have not handled any. The book I am going by has pictures of every angle, except the butt. So far it has not been too tricky. I have not been able to use my planes for spokeshave, so every is being done with a rasp and I used gouges to rough out the shapes.

It may get trickier as I go. Having not handled one myself, I pick it up and aim it fairly often in the process.

Coryjoe

I think I may have one or a couple on my website that may help.

Flint62Smoothie · « **Reply #10 on:** May 04, 2016, 12:29:33 AM »

Quote from: KC on May 03, 2016, 03:48:40 PM

I'd like to build a gun based on the Rifle Shoppe's Newtowne Musket someday ...

You know it's a fake arm, don't you?

Noted old arms builders and experts, like Leonard Day, seriously question its authenticity. Len dates the barrel to be a far newer and of French origin ...

Mike Brooks · « **Reply #11 on:** May 04, 2016, 12:34:08 AM »

Quote from: Flint62Smoothie on May 04, 2016, 12:29:33 AM

Quote from: KC on May 03, 2016, 03:48:40 PM
I'd like to build a gun based on the Rifle Shoppe's Newtowne Musket someday ...
You know it's a fake arm, don't you?

Noted old arms builders and experts, like Leonard Day, seriously question its authenticity. Len dates the barrel to be a far newer and of French origin ...

Is that the one with the cobbled in set triggers and funk-o-delic tricked out triggerguard?

KC · « **Reply #12 on:** May 04, 2016, 12:56:10 AM »

You know it's a fake arm, don't you?
Noted old arms builders and experts, like Leonard Day, seriously question its authenticity. Len dates the barrel to be a far newer and of French origin ...

I don't really know one way or the other if it's a fake, the Smithsonian seems to value theirs. I just think it's a cool looking matchlock. Shockingly enough, I'm not familiar with Leonard Day either, so my opinion probably doesn't much matter.

In any event, I really like Coryjoe's club butt fowler.

Cory Joe Stewart · « **Reply #13 on:** May 04, 2016, 01:05:52 AM »

Quote from: Mike Brooks on May 03, 2016, 10:43:25 PM

Quote from: Coryjoe on May 03, 2016, 08:02:19 PM
Quote from: rich pierce on May 03, 2016, 05:35:02 PM
Looks like a super hard piece of plain maple I once had. How challenging is it to shape a club butt from pictures? I'm assuming you haven't handled many. I certainly haven't.

Unfortunately I have not handled any. The book I am going by has pictures of every angle, except the butt. So far it has not been too tricky. I have not been able to use my planes for spokeshave, so every is being done with a rasp and I used gouges to rough out the shapes.

It may get trickier as I go. Having not handled one myself, I pick it up and aim it fairly often in the process.

Coryjoe
I think I may have one or a couple on my website that may help.

Yeah I have a picture of one of yours that was either on your website or that you posted on here.

k gahagan · « **Reply #14 on:** May 04, 2016, 03:50:55 AM »

Your Club Butt is coming along nicely. "Of Sorts for Provincials has some very good examples of early guns. I think you would find "Flintlock Fowlers" by Tom Grinslade would be a big help to you, it's my go to book for these type of guns. Looking forward to see how you progress but looking good so far.

Cory Joe Stewart · « **Reply #15 on:** May 04, 2016, 04:01:55 AM »

Quote from: k gahagan on May 04, 2016, 03:50:55 AM

Your Club Butt is coming along nicely. "Of Sorts for Provincials has some very good examples of early guns. I think you would find "Flintlock Fowlers" by Tom Grinslade would be a big help to you, it's my go to book for these type of guns. Looking forward to see how you progress but looking good so far.

Yeah I have that book too and you are right. Lots of great examples in there. I appreciate everyone's comments and interest in my project. I will keep you posted as I go.

Coryjoe

BOB HILL · « **Reply #16 on:** May 04, 2016, 04:55:02 AM »

Looking good. Looking forward to watching your progress............ Bob

Cory Joe Stewart · « **Reply #17 on:** May 07, 2016, 04:18:40 AM »

Ok, everyone. I have done a bit more shaping. I have the trigger in, but not pinned in. I have been working on the shaping and it looks good, but a little weird, but it matches the original. As you can see the comb tapers drastically into the wrist, almost making a triangle, as is on the original. If anyone has any suggestions or advice just let me know. As bulky as it looks it does feel good.

Coryjoe

Steve-In · « **Reply #18 on:** May 07, 2016, 05:39:42 AM »

Looks good to me.
Only thing I see is the angle of the butt(plate). It looks like it has too much pitch to my eyes. I thought it should be more perpendicular to the bore.

Daniel · « **Reply #19 on:** May 07, 2016, 06:30:13 AM »

How does it feel when you shoulder it ? The one I built years ago the gun lines up as soon as shouldered.
I rounded the comb more after shooting it because it would bite my cheek .

Mike Brooks · « **Reply #20 on:** May 07, 2016, 02:28:29 PM »

Here are some views you may find helpful. I should have kept this gun......

http://www.fowlingguns.com/mikesclubbutt.html

Here's another you may not have seen before, the wood is cherry and a little lighter so the architecture may be easier to see.
http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Gunmaker/library/325%20club%20butt?sort=3&page=1

frogwalking · « **Reply #21 on:** May 07, 2016, 07:21:34 PM »

Mike,

Your lock panels are much wider in the front than the back. How did you accomplish that. That is, did you file the barrel smaller in the rear?

Mike Brooks · « **Reply #22 on:** May 07, 2016, 09:34:05 PM »

Quote from: frogwalking on May 07, 2016, 07:21:34 PM

Mike,

Your lock panels are much wider in the front than the back. How did you accomplish that. That is, did you file the barrel smaller in the rear?

Optical illusion. They are a touch wider in the back in reality.

Cory Joe Stewart · « **Reply #23 on:** May 07, 2016, 11:36:02 PM »

Quote from: Steve-In on May 07, 2016, 05:39:42 AM

Looks good to me.
Only thing I see is the angle of the butt(plate). It looks like it has too much pitch to my eyes. I thought it should be more perpendicular to the bore.

I see what you are saying. Good eye. Thanks.

Cory Joe Stewart · « **Reply #24 on:** May 07, 2016, 11:37:13 PM »

Quote from: Daniel on May 07, 2016, 06:30:13 AM

How does it feel when you shoulder it ? The one I built years ago the gun lines up as soon as shouldered.
I rounded the comb more after shooting it because it would bite my cheek .

I can definitely feel where it will hit. So I may go ahead and round it more as you did.

Thanks

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